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The Real Thing
The Autobiography of Joseph Valachi
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NY Daily News headline Sep. 29, 1963

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something. I will tell him that I came all the way to Newark for nothing and he will tell me why didn't you call me. Well any way you got to give me something I haven't anything I will tell him. He is just that way but actually he would be glad that I went and see him. So I came home with something I got a call from some guy and he tells me that he is got some out of town stamps and they were what we call T. and the T. were for trucks only. He was an Irish fellow. I told him that I will let him know. I went around and I spoke to a couple of guys and all of them could use them so I bought them and the guy asked me if he should call me whenever he gets them. I said yes. He said that he don't get a large amount but he gets them all the time. I had done time with this guy and his name was Murphy. I was shocked to have a guy like him call me. I asked him how did he think of me and he said he met someone and they got to talking and my name came up. Well he called me plenty of times after I got the first package off him. He did not give me much but there was a lot of profit in whatever he gave me.

Now I get a call from a couple of guys that stole an OPA office up-state and they had a lot of stamps but the amount of money was too much for me to handle. I need a ton of money so I thought that I will go and see Sam in Newark. Then I meet Paul in Forham and as I was lazy to go to Newark I

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was looking Paul over in the coffee shop where I met him. Paul was a millionaire so I say to Paul if I give you a deal would he double cross me. He said that he won't, the reason why I asked him if he will double cross me was there weren't any guys that would lay out one hundred thousand dollars for a stamp deal but Carlo, Paul or Sam and whenever a deal came up where this amount of money was involved they usually got together and they took the deal together. Now the trick was if someone will go to any of these guys with a deal like I had they will stall you and keep putting you off day by day until the guys that had the stamps will get disgusted and will be forced to go to Paul, Carlo or Sam. Every crook in the stamp business knew these guys but the crooks hated to go to these guys. Crooks are funny people. They hate to bring money to money. That's what this guy said to me. Hey Joe he said we got a lot of stamps and it takes a lot of money and you know that we know where to go but we want you to make some money but we will only wait three days. That's why I said to Paul don't double cross me, meaning don't stall me until the deal will go to one of the three men that I mention. Well sure enough Paul said in one day everything will be OK so I said to him when will I hear from you. He said tomorrow morning. He calls me the following morning and he tells me that for sure we will take care of the business today.

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So I call the guys and I tell them that it will be taken care of today so the guy told me I better hurry because one of the guys is on edge and he figured that he could had gotten his cash by this time. You know Joe its a lot of dough. Well I said if you don't hear from me today or by tonight, you go right ahead and take care of your affairs just save about a hundred thousand gallons for me. I forgot that I gave Paul the list of everything they had. Paul call me the following morning and he tells me to go and see his brother Carlo that everything is OK. I asked him I don't know what you mean that everything is OK. He said go and meet Carlo he is at 12 Street between First and Second Ave. on the uptown side of the Ave. He said there is an Italian restaurant there and you will find him there 12 o'clock today. He will be waiting for you. He said don't worry you will be all right. So I go to the 12 Street appointment and before I go I make a phone call to the boys in the Hotel but I get no answer. Well I figure they must had gotten the deal already. Well I figure if I don't get a break the hell with it. I will get the hundred thousand gallons for three cents a gallon. The market was 12 cents wholesale. So I reach 12 Street and I find the restaurant and it was an open garden restaurant. They greet me with a big hand by they I mean Carlo Gambino and Frank Scalice and two or three greaseballs that

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I did not know. I could see by Carlo's face that things did not look so good. Well they asked me to have something to eat, who could eat I was nervous but I ordered a cup of black coffee and they were having soup. So Carlo asked me what was on my mind. I said Paul sent me here and he told me that you know what it is so why do you ask me what's on my mind. He said I asked you what is on your mind because I don't know why you are here. I see I said one brother tells me that everything is OK and the other tells me that he don't know what it is all about. I was getting so mad that I tried hard to try and keep calm. So I said did Paul tell you about a deal that I had. He said no all I know last night I got a call and these guys who called me gave me a deal and I took it. Well I said can I buy some from you. I can imagine I can get a break, can I? Joe he said I'll give you market price. Carlo I gave this deal to your brother Paul and he told me that he spoke to you and you tell me that you don't know what it is all about. I got up and as I got up I threw the table up in the air and as I did all the food went on their clothing and I walked fast towards the car and Frank Scalice follow me and he jumped into the car. He said calm down as I had a lot of respect for him I tell him Steve Rannelli was right when he wanted to kill Paul Gambino during the war in 1930. Steve had told me that they stole a deal on him in the same

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style. Boy what dogs I said to Frank. He said Joe I got to go back and see that he don't put you on the carpet for throwing that table the way you did. Frank I said don't cabin him down let him do what he wants that is the only way people will find out the way they operate. I knew in my heart that I won't go and tell Tony Bender because if Tony will win the argument I won't get anything. He will keep it all for himself so I rather lost it rather than let him have any part of it that won't be the first time I lost deals rather than go to Tony Bender. Vito Genovese was in Italy and as much as I got it in for him I must admit that if you went to him in a case like this I would had gotten something, not much, but something, but Tony he will lie and say that he lost the argument. I told Vito Genovese in Atlanta about this deal. I told him I was explaining to him how many propositions I could had brought down town but as I said I rather lose them than make Tony get fat. I would had a good case because I would had brought one of the crooks to Tony Bender and I would had made the crook explain to Tony how they, the crooks, gave me the list of everything they had and I gave it to Paul Gambino, and the proof was that when the crooks brought the deal to Carlo and the crooks held out a hundred thousand gallons for me and Carlo told them if you don't give it all to him he won't take the deal. Now you see how he lied when he said that he did not know anything. A few months later I met Sam from Newark and he told me that he took the deal together with Paul and Carlo and that they were on the road to make a million dollars on the deal as the stamps went up all the way to 30 cents a gallon. They knew how to operate and keep the market up at

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the same time and then they were lucky the market was dry for quite a while. I had to go to Sam to get some stamps as I was dry myself. I'm sorry Paul that I put your right name in this book I did it because I want to expose you guys how you all operate. I'll do the way you used to do, first rub it in and then say I'm sorry. Now I decided to hang around the dress shop on Prospect Ave, I think the address was 595 Prospect Ave. I will kill time and receive my phone calls at the shop. I will cut thread on the garments after it was finished. In the meanwhile I bought a piece of a horse, I can't think of his name for the love of me. I bought it together with this fellow named Gaf. I paid one thousand seven hundred-fifty dollars for my share. In other words the horse cost 35 hundred dollars. We ran him in New York a couple of times, but we did not bet on him as I understand he was an unpredictable horse so I got disgusted and I sold my share back to Gaf. One day not long after the horse was entered in a one mile and a half race I see Gaf and we go together at the window and Gaf bets on a different horse in the race so I put two hundred dollars on the same horse Gaf bet on. The race if off and Gaf's horse goes to the front and he never stopped. He win all by himself and he paid 57 dollars and Gaf got rich. How I will tell you, he had a following and these guys will do anything Gaf will tell then to do. I was standing there with Gaf before the race and they will come over and they will ask Gaf what shall they do and Gaf will tell them to bet and after they leave Gaf will look at me and laugh and I will shake my head. I should shake it good because this is one time the sucker won. Some had a fifty dollar bet for Gaf and some twenty-five. What did he care so long as they will bet. I was waiting

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to see if he will give me my two hundred dollars back that I lost. He did then I asked him didn't you give the horse a chance at all. He said anyone who can judge this horse will be a good man. Now that he won I'm going to get rid of the horse before he loses ten more races. He did get rid of the horse in less than two weeks. Gaf used to tell me never to fall in love with a horse unless he could run and run good. Well all I did for at least for about a year was sell stamps, all kind of stamps, and Frank's man did not come with anything all this time. I used to laugh at him everytime the subject came up. One night I don't know how he found me but he did and he was all excited and he told me that he got a call from the OPA guy. He said the guy had something but he did not know how much. Well, Well I said this time I'm going to keep them. I don't care how much because he may not come through any more. Frank agreed. The following night he came and see me about three hours before he had the appointment with the OPA man. I never knew who he was because Frank never told me who he was and I did not care to know him. Frank told me that he would like to pull a phony pinch. I told him that I could do it. I could call someone and make him pull you in after you get the stamps out of your car but what is he going to charge you with, what crime. He, Frank, said for having stamps in my possession. Yes I said but I must give this guy something. I just can't call a bull and tell him to lock you up without telling him some kind of a story. I must tell him that we are clipping someone. First of all I said let me make a call and let me find out if he is working so I made a call and I find out that this detective is working but he will go off duty

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at 12 o'clock. Now what do you want me to do. He said come on let's go and see him I got plenty of time. So I asked Frank do you want to be arrested in the Bronx. He said yes. OK let's go so we go to the Bronx and I call the detective up and he comes and meet me in some joint and I tell the detective that you are going to arrest Frank tonight so he laughed. He said who are you clipping, what is it stamps. I said yes. How much do I get he said. I said there ain't much in it but you are good for five hundred dollars. Frank will only have about a hundred dollars worth of stamps on him. In fact in the car. So we figured out which will be the best way so I left it to the both of them when they got through talking Frank told me that I must go to the Harlem apartment and wait there for him. He will come over and give me the stamps and then he will meet the detective and he will go to the station house and I will go where the other partner is and he Frank will call up and he will ask for Johnnie and tell Johnnie that he is arrested and is at the station house and then I will get in the car with Johnnie and I will go to the station house and when we get there we will see Frank's Ford in front of the station house, that ought to convince him and if he ain't convinced who cares. We wanted to put him in on it but he refused, so to hell with him. So I went where Johnnie was hanging out which was 183 Street on Third Ave., it was a Bar and Johnnie was expecting me as he knew that the OPA guy had called Frank. So we started to talk and after an hour or two the phone rang in the Bar and it was a call for Johnnie and he came out of the phone booth all excited and he said to me that Frank is pinched. I said no kidding. He said he is in the police station.

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I did not say anything, I waited for Johnnie to say come on let's take a ride and see if we see the Ford in front of the Police Station. So Johnnie and I took a ride at the police station and there was Frank's Ford. Johnnie asked me if I knew anyone in the police station. I said I did, come let's go and I will call the police station and see if he is working. After I called I told Johnnie that the guy that I know is not working so I said let's go back to the Bar maybe he will call again, he did not. I knew that I had to be in the Harlem apartment at about three o'clock in the morning. Frank did not want to stay in the police station all night. I tried to make him understand that if he don't stay all night and go to court they are going to get wise to him but he said he did want to go through all that trouble. OK do what you want I told him. Now Johnnie had friends and he found out that Frank did not stay in the police station all night and the first thing he did was get in touch with me and he tells me that he found out that Frank was not booked so he must had done business so I tell Johnnie Frank done business with the stamps by that I mean he gave the cops the stamps and they let him go. I asked Johnnie didn't you ever hear that before. He said he did but Joe he said you are in a position to find out why don't you. I told Johnnie if you want to know the truth I don't care, you are a wise guy. When Frank told you to clip them guys after they gave us the big load of stamps, after all they did not give you much to work on. Gee Johnnie said they knew the market. That's right I said all the more they should have given us a better price. What did you make, 12 thousand dollars on a 64 thousand dollar deal, what are they

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kidding. If we would had got one pinch we would had made nothing. They did not give you a break. You gave them a good price after all the stamps don't cost then anything, they get them for free, they just clip them out of the office ten thousand dollars less to them, everyone would had been happy. Don't forget we had to peddle the stamps and we should had made at least 20 thousand for our end so that's why I'm not interested. I don’t care what Frank done. Well Johnnie said he Frank cheated you too. Good luck to him I said. I did not lose any money. How much will we make on a 13 thousand dollar deal with the fancy price they give us. Well anyway I quit Johnnie said. Go ahead and quit I told him the war will be over soon so we might as well grab everything we can lay our hands on.

A few days later a greaseball came over and talk to me. He said that he was interested in Johnnie and he wanted to know if its all right if he got together with Johnnie. I told him to go ahead in the first place he ain't my partner, he is Frank's partner so you better see Frank. He said he did not care for Frank. Then he wanted to know if we clipped Johnnie. I told him we did not clip Johnnie we clipped the OPA people. I don't even know who they are, Frank and Johnnie knows. He said he knew that I did not know the people but he said Johnnie is wrong if you and Frank wanted to clip the OPA Johnnie should had listen to both of you. Now Frank Cheer Scraclic, Frank's Lt, comes over and talk to me. He only wanted to know if I was aware of what was going on because he did not want Frank to cheat me. Well when I told him that I was in with Frank he was satisfied. He

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knew Frank was a swindler. So he wanted to make sure. A couple of years later Johnnie Roberts from downtown, the fellow that I was partner with in the sharklocking business, asked me if the pinch was on the level. I told him the truth and Johnnie Roberts told me if I was not in on the deal he, Johnnie Roberts, will bring Frank on the carpet and make him pay that money. I want to say if Johnnie Roberts wanted me make us pay he could have because they would had found out that there was no pinch at all. A member of the Cosa Nostra can front for anyone he may be interested if he can prove that whom ever he is interested in was clipped but Johnnie would had made a bad guy with me if he done such a thing. I asked Johnnie who were the fellows but he will not tell me. He said they were nice people and they were with the OPA during the war. I told Frank about all this and he laughed. Frank I said what makes you laugh you know darn well they could put you on the carpet if someone will be interested in those people. Frank said why do you think I put you in on it. I knew these guys were friends of Johnnie Roberts. I got the stamps at top price, that's why they gave me the deal and that's why they did not want you to know who they were, they also knew that you were a good friend of Johnnie and you still won't tell me who they were. No Frank said I will never tell you who they were, belive me Frank said to me that I will have a fit if I knew who the people were.

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Well I said if I'm going to have a fit I don't want to know. This way I won't be mad. You have no idea now mad you will be said Frank. I got in the car and I took off and I forgot all about the whole deal.

The War is over so it did not mean anything. I was going to the track while I was doing business with the stamps and after the stamps - I want to finish my last deal with the stamps before I start talking about horses. About a month before the War was over I got two deals and Frank did not want any part of both deals. One was that I buy in to a restaurant called Aida - it was one of the finest restaurants in Harlem - and the other deal was a hundred thousand gallons of gas stamps. Thinking that I had time to get rid of them I took the deal with a guy from forham. He was one of the kids that I went to Utica, New York. We were drinking in the Ritz Bar at 180 Street in West Farms when I was approached from one of the boys, his name was Jack. He tells me if I want the stamps he will give them to me but not to Mike, he was sore at Mike for something I don't remember. I spoke to Mike on the side and I told Mike about what it was all about. Mike said to go ahead and take the deal. I told Mike if we take this deal we cannot go to the track because the War may be over as they were talking in the newspapers about throwing the A. Bomb in Japan and if they throw that bomb the war will be over in about a month. We figured. I took the deal and I did not go to the track as I was out hustling the

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stamps and I was doing a pretty good job before they threw the Bomb. I had got rid of all the stamps in the meanwhile Mike kept going to the track all the time. Now I got an order for 5,000 gallons of stamps. I did not have them but I told the guy that I will let him know. I waited for Mike to come back from the track and Mike said that he did not have any more. I told Mike that this was a cash deal and if he had any on the street on credit take in 5 thousand gallons and we will give them to this cash customer. Mike said that all he is got to do is wait to collect the money as far as he is concerned he is finished. At the same time I had bought into the Aida Restaurant. I had met some boys in Harlem and they put me in on a sugar stamp deal. I had this deal going at the same time that I had the gas deal going. I had no time to stay in the Aida because I was too busy but I did hang out in the Aids Restaurant after the war was over. To make it short, as I really was forgetting these two deals, I made money in the sugar stamp deal and in the gas stamp deal I lost money because my friend Mike could not collect for at least 30 thousand gallons of gas stamps because the customer that Mike had did not sell all the stamps the way he thought they did. I don't want to pay any lost Mike was taking a beating at the race track and he had no money to pay and I was stuck to lay out twenty-five hundred dollars. I made about twenty-one hundred dollars on the sugar deal so I did not lose much, only a couple of hundred dollars.

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Now I started to go to the race track and hanging out in the Aida when I came back from the track. Mike was booking at the track so I started to bet my money to him hoping to deduct if I lost but I was always winning and I felt sorry for Mike as he was getting hit at the track real hard, but he owed me the money. Now in the Aida there is some of Mike Cappolla boys coming in and out of the Aida Restaurant. It was being run high class and one of my partner hangs out with political guys like Judge Frances Mancuso, Burt Stand in Tammany Hall and all sort of lawyers. One day Charlie, who was my partner, and we had a third guy who was a broken down lawyer and the license was under his name. All I remember is that his first name was Danny. He happened to be a third cousin of mine. Charlie was going to have a meeting and Mayor O'Dwyer and his crew was coming into the Aida. I told Charlie that I did not want to be there when they come. I spread it around to the boys not to come to the Aida for a couple of hours. It was not hard to do all one had to do was let one or two fellows in the neighborhood know and everyone will get the notice. Charlie had all the shades down and it was pretty hard for anyone to look in the restaurant. The Aida had the best food around the neighborhood and in fact it was considered one of the best eating restaurants in all of Manhattan. The chef was getting about 225 dollars a week and the second chef was receiving 125 dollars a week

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and we had a hat check girl in the place and someone to greet you as you came in the restaurant - it was run real classy. Everytime the ex-Judge will come in with his crowd all they will order was a couple of Pizza Pies and then Charlie will give them no check. His boys started making a beef about Charlie not giving the Judge and his friends a check. Charlie was one of the boys and he belonged with Tom Galangino crew. We will talk in this style when we had to talk about the boys. I or Charlie will say your crew or my crew and so on. Come of Charlie's crew were Danny Yankee, Chick, Ninty-nine, Paulie, Ham, Big Sam and sometimes their Lt. came in the restaurant. Charlie's Lt. at the time was Vincent from 107 Street and Vincent did not like Charlie's doings with the politicians and it wasn't long before we got into an argument about the politicians not paying their checks. I told Charlie that he was wrong breaking them in not paying, it is OK for him to do it once but not all the time. It was around this time that I find out that I'm wanted for a conspiracy. I did not know what it was all about. Then I find out that the conspiracy that I was wanted for was about five years old - it was the time that I had went to Florida and I had given a message to some guy by the name of Dick from his friend Charlie. All I told Dick to call up Charlie, it had something to do with the Bahamas. I took off and I went on the lam. I went to Jersey across the 125 Street Ferry.

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I went and rent a room in a Motel on Route four that is all I remember. I was there about two weeks and I got disgusted and I came in New York and I was living in a girl's house. I was in Harlem. I lasted about a week and I was arrested and I find out that there was a lot of guys involved. There was a Senator also in the conspiracy. I think his name was Senator McKinnley and he was a Senator in the Bahamas, and there were about six more involved from the Bahamas and on the side of the U.S. We were about seven or eight. I got out on one thousand dollars bail. When the Agent question me, I think his name was Aleviairo, he was nothing like the Agents they have today. He was no frame artist. He told me that he had no right to put me in the indictment. He could not account as to what I was doing in the indictment but he said that I should not worry because he thought that he had a weak case against me. He was a real gentlemen, when we went to court he the agent told the Judge that he thought that I should not had been in the indictment. The Judge, I don't remember his name, gave the agent plenty of hell. The Judge told the agent that this will be held against the defendant and it will be used against him he'll give you more hell the Judge said I don't want to make a story out of this and with that he threw me out. He dismissed the indictment against me and I walked out of the courtroom. Believe me it had be held against me ever since

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especially when someone brings it up to me. He will say boy you must had good connection. They never believe that a guy can be innocent. When I was arrested on another case which I will talk about when I'll reach to that year I met that Agent as I wrote his name but I am in doubt as to the spelling of his name and I congratulated him but it seemed that he did not remember me. I whisper to him and I said I'm Joe Valachi. Oh he said and I whisper again and told him that these new agents are frame artists and he laughed. Of course I mean the Narcotic Agents, especially George Gaffney. The phony Boss and his stooge Frank Saveggie, Pat Ward, Enright all frame artists. Some day they will be hit with all the framing that they done. I'll tell you more about these agents later on. I'll go back to the Aida and tell you some more about Mike Cappolla tough guys, I don't mean that they have no nerve but they are overrated too much overrated. They were like little lambs before they became members when they were made which is the way of explaining when a guy becomes a Cosa Nostra member. They will all sit down and ask all kinds of questions then when they were made members they expected me to look up to them. I thought they were out of their minds. I don't mean that they all came all together, one will ask one question, for instance Patty Erra the tough guy that's in Florida and hands out in the Fontainebleau Hotel. Hey Joe, he will ask, will they hold

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against me if they found out that he left his wife. I will tell him no they won't hold against you anything in that line, any more but I would had liked to have told him that how can they hold anything with a small problem like leaving your wife against you. Look in the backyard of your own boss or the boss that you intend to be with, he married a Village Inn girl he is a good example for you but Patty I felt like telling him don't do what they do. They have a license to do what they please or in other words your boss can't afford to give you any lessons because he is no prize boy himself, especially when one of the first wife dies and then he marries another girl and the second wife leaves him and then kills herself. Se Patty now that you have your boss pedigree you have nothing to worry about. Now Patty I want to ask you a question, you think I was wrong when I gave you the cold shoulder for taking out one of my girls. It did not bother you did it Patty. You know why it did not bother you because you were a tough guy now, but I still showed you that I did not give a dam for you when I passed you by. I didn't care that you were a tough guy it was a matter of principal. See Patty you did not have any principals. You know why because you could had taken that same girl out when you were a nobody but after you hung out with Mike Cappolla - Oh sorry I mean Trigger Mike - well now that you were made it was a different story, wasn't it Patty. Now Joe did not

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mean anything to you any more. Patty you stink, and so does your boss Trigger Mike but you have one guy in your crew that I respect and will always respect because he ain't like you Patty and you know who I mean. I'll bet you do. Now I'll tell you about another one in your crew, I'm going to talk about the barber chair in the Bronx where they killed a friend of mine back in 1931, his name was Jimmy Marino. You remember that story don't you. Well I'm not going to talk about it because I'm sure you know the story. All I'm trying to do Patty is show you how you or your mob had no respect for me but still you knew I was a good man and I want to tell you now that I did not give any information to the agents as your boss will let you understand. I'll tell you all about it in the end of this story. Here is a line or two for another tough guy that belongs with Trigger Mike, Buckolo. Ask him if he remember the night that I wanted to bust up a poker game, it was the Dwarf's game. I went broke and the house refused to lend me fifty dollars, I needed the fifty to cover up a shortage in a pot. I thought I had the best hand and someone raised me and I had to see him or I could had been bluffed out of the Pot but it turned out that I got beat and when I asked the house to give me the fifty which was the Dwarf's I was refused but someone in the game realizing how I will look bad threw the fifty at me and I paid for the shortage. Then I took a chair and I wanted to break up the game but someone grabbed me and walked me out of the

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game and then Buckolo felt bad when I told him what dogs you guys protect. Just because the Dwarf pick up numbers for Buckolo if it was I that was protecting anyone and he did the same thing to Buckolo I would had made the guy apologize to Buckolo. No not you guys. You don't want to lose any prestige. I'm writing this kind of stuff to show how I defied Mike Cappolo men.

I got another story before I stop because I just thought about it. I was in a bar at 118 Street and Second Ave. and I was drinking with a girl when Joe Stutz walked in the bar and he tell the girl that I'm drinking with to go outside and the girl looked at Joe Stutz and told him that I'm with Joe, meaning me. Then Joe Stutz looked at me and asked me if I was staying in the bar so I asked him if it was any of his business that I was staying or leaving. He looked at me and he said that Mike Cappolla is outside in the car so I looked at him and I said does he want to see me and he said yes. Well he knows that I'm in here. He said yes. Then let him come in if he wants to see me. Joe Stutz walked outside and Mike called me and he told me don't mind Joe Stutz. I told Mike that I was not minding Joe Stutz. Then Mike said to me how are you. I said fine. Then he said give my regards to Tony Bender. I said OK. This night I must say Mike used his head. He knew the move was very cheap and he had more sense. Well the girl said to me did I make you look bad I said I would had

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been so embarrassed if you would had walked out and left me standing at the Bar. But if Mike was not there Joe Stutz would have never done such a thing, in fact I have Joe Stutz in my book as being yellow.

While sitting in the Aida a friend of mine walked in and he looked a bit worried and he tells me that he is partner with a guy and he can't get along with him. He says that they got about seven horses and they are going to split up but one horse that they have they can't come to an agreement as to who is going to get him because he is a twenty thousand dollar horse so they decided that they put him in a claiming race for the price that they claimed him for in Florida and they both get someone to put in a claim for him but they cannot pull in their own claim if they put their own claim then one will be jealous of the other, if one of them wound up with the horse they claimed the horse at Tropical Park in Florida for five thousand dollars and they put him in a five thousand dollar claiming and they intended to cash a good bet on the horse as they figured that for five thousand dollars claiming race he would be a cinch and beside they would win a purse of 42 hundred dollars and they would split the purse between them, in other words the horse will sell for 92 hundred dollars. A claiming race means that anyone of the trainers or owners can claim your horse or you can claim their horse. But it has to be a trainer that is running a horse in the same race. I had to get a trainer by the next

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day because the horse was entered for the next day to run so I called Gaf and asked him if he can get a trainer for me to claim a horse in the six race at New York. He said that he will call me back in about an hour. Gaf calls me and tells me that he got a trainer to claim the horse for me but I must give the trainer five hundred dollars for making the claim for me. I said OK. I'll meet you at the track tomorrow. The next day we met at track and my man put in the claim and then I got word that there was nine claims in for the horse. Oh God I said we must beat eight others. When something like this happened they must throw the dice for the horse. Now I don't know how that works because I never asked but anyway we lost the horse but I was told that a trainer by the name of Wagner had won the horse. Boy was I happy I said to Furdie tonight dress up as we must go down to Broadway. You know who Wagner is I tell Furdie. He is the trainer of the Snow White Stable and I know the owner, he is Joe Bidellie and he is a dear friend of mine but I must tell him that I had a piece of this horse. You will explain to him that the horse was under your former friend's name because you have a record. I'm sure I will get the horse if he knows that I had something to do with the horse. Well we go down to the Worthfield Bar and Restaurant that night and I see Joe Bidellie and l asked him if he claimed a horse today by the name of Son of Tarra. He said

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he did and won him in a shake with eight other trainers. I said I know I Was one of the trainers. Joe asked me who had put the claim in for me. I told him and he said yes he was one of the trainers that had a claim in for the horse. Gee how come the horse was in so cheap so I explained everything to him and he said Joe to tell you the truth I claimed this horse for some people in Detroit. They used to own this horse and they lost him in Florida for five thousand dollars but they pulled a killing, they won sixty-thousand dollars with this horse. He only paid two to one but they bet 30 thousand dollars on his nose and he won all by himself. Now they saw that he was entered in New York for a claiming price of five thousand dollars. They called me and they asked me to put in a claim for them so I did. Now you come and tell me that this is your horse. Well I ain't going to do a favor for one friend and hurt another at the same time so Joe Bidell said I expect them in New York tomorrow night when they come I will tell them that you are a friend of mine. I want you to know that you come first and they are second so don't worry about the horse. I went back two nights later as I had to give Joe a chance to talk to them. When I got there two nights later Joe told me that I can make two thousand dollars if I leave them the horse. I said Joe I'm out of action and I ain't got no horses if I lost this horse my heart will break so you see money don't mean anything it the horse that I

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want. Thank them for the offer that they made but tell them they won they bet on this horse but we lost the bet and the horse Joe Bidell told them exactly the way I sald. Joe said send me the five thousand dollars and go and pick the horse up from my stable and put him in whatever barn you desire. I said Joe I don't want anyone to know that I got the horse so it is OK if I leave the horse in your barn. I want to move him to New England and I can't move him for thirty days as that is the rule of the race track one cannot move a horse from one track to another until thirty days. I'll lay Wagner for keeping and feeding the horse for the thirty days. Joe Bidell said why don't you run the horse and pick up some expense money. Fudie spoke and told Joe that the horse is got something wrong with his left leg and it better that we don't take a chance until Joe's trainer in New England takes a look at him. Joe asked me who my trainer is in New England is and I told him Haymaker. Joe said Haymaker. I said yes. Gee Joe said he is one of the best trainers in New England. I know I said Joe asked me how did you meet him. I said through Joe Bruno before he died go and bring the horse to him and let me know when he is going to win. I said OK. Joe then thanked him over and over and then I left. Now Furdie wants half of the horse and I said OK but he never came up with the money. When the horse reached New England the old man told me to call or come in three weeks and

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they will let me know what kind of a horse we have. In three weeks I went up there and they told me how did you get this horse for five thousand dollars he is worth that much on one leg the trainer told me that he will give me five thousand dolars for half of the horse. I said no you will give me 25 hundred for half as I expect you to be fair to me so why should I make a profit on you. He said OK. I'm telling you he is worth four times that much. He said he is ready to run in about ten days. I asked him about his left leg and he said he had what we call a lose tendon but he has already taken care of the leg. I asked him was it dangerous for me to run him in the thirty days that I had him in New York. He said that it was it is a good thing that I did not run him. Gee I said isn’t Wagner a good trainer. He said Wagner is a good trainer how come he wanted to run the horse. Then Furdie reminded me that it was not Wagner that wanted to run the horse. Joe Bidell suggested that we run the horse. Oh yes I said. Gee I thought it was the trainer. Well anyway I was happy to learn what kind of a horse we had and we came home and I asked Furdie what happened to the other horses he had with the other guy and he said that they are going to New England with them and then they will see what they are going to do. Good I said by you being in New England I could keep a close watch and see what you are doing. I asked him if he had a jockey. He said no. Gee I said New England's

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a tough track if you ain't got a rider. He said that they will bet for the jockey. I told him that it will not help. He said don't worry it will help. OK I said you see I knew New England because of the Duchess. Well I went back to the restaurant and Furdie comes there again in a week after we got back from New England and he tells me that he got a deal by some jockey if we care to fix the jump races. Gee I said they are tough races to fix. Furdie said if I care I could meet the jockey. I said no Furdie I don't care to meet the jockey something may go wrong they will give me one hundred years but it its a nobody like you they won't be so hard. He agreed. I said Ok see what it is all about but we got to be careful because these kind of things can ruin you. I know Furdie said. But I know what to do I will sell some shares and we make sure that they won't breaks us. Furdie asked me what do I mean. Well I said for instance I'll go and see Tommy Milo up in Yonkers and give him the horse that is going to win and let him bet five hundred and then I will see the kids in Forham and let them bet and in the meantime they can get themselves out of a hold they are stuck a ton of money betting on the horses. So I tell Furdie find out what is the deal. He said that he will like to have someone with him because I don't want you to think that I will be cheating. Furdie if I can't trust you then we can't do any business. Furdie left and he said that he will

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see me tomorrow night. The next night Furdie came and he told me the deal. He said the boys want a twenty-five hundred dollar bet and we name the horse that we want to win but it can be done only when they have a small field. He said that when Adams rides we cannot do anything because Adams is what they call a gentlemen rider, he is rich and he does it for the sport of it. He said that we can fix one race a week and this way we will not draw attention. Ok I said stay here and I'll call the kids up in the Bronx and see what they will say. I called Mike and I told him to come right down and he did. I told him about the deal and he said that he liked it and that he will go and see Tommy Milo and that he will take care of the twenty-five hundred dollars for the jocks. Everything was set for the day of the race so one night Furdie came in the Aida Restaurant and he had the horse entry for the following day and he told me to pick the horse that I want to win as there was no Adams in the race. I picked a horse that very seldom falls and he was listed at five to one. He said that he will call me in the morning and he will let me know if it is OK. He called me the next morning and he told me that the horse I picked will win the race. Then I picked up the phone and I called Mike and I told him to come to the house. Mike came and I asked him how did he make out with Tommy and Mike said that Tommy said that he will only get

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interested because its you. He don't trust anyone any more but he knows if you agreed to pay twenty-five hundred dollars you must know what you are doing. OK Mike give Tommy the horse here it is and I said if any changes I will get in touch with him. I asked Mike if he was coming to the track. Mike said am I coming to the track I'm going to get even on all the books out there I'm going to bet money that I ain't got. Hey Mike why don't you take it easy the first race you can never tell a jump race anything can happen, the horse can fall. Why ruin yourself in one race. Joe he said I'm too much in the hole I can't hurt you if the horse don't win then I will not need to pay you. I know I said but there is always another day. That day we met at the track and everything was the same. I don't remember the name of the horse but I'm sure he was number three. He opened at four to one and he was played down to two to one and I see a guy that works for Mike Cappola by working I mean he was a runner picking up bets at the track. I remember about a week before that Mike had a tip on a horse and he gave it to everyone that was sitting in the box in the club house but me. The horse won I never forgot it. I asked this guy if he will take a couple thousand dollars on this race coming up. He said wait I'll be back in a few minutes and I saw him going to Mike and he came back and he said he will take a fifteen hundred dollar bet. I said OK you got it. He asked for the case so I said tomorrow. I either pay you or you pay me, he said OK.

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Now they off and running. It was a two mile race over the hurdles and at the half mile pole our horse was running last. Gaf was along side of me and he notice that the horse did not want to jump he was kind of hesitating to jump but he was jumping but he was losing ground by the time they made the last jump he was running second but one could see that he had to be a Man of War to catch the front runner and it obvious that Penrode the rider on the front runner was looking behind and waiting for number three to come up to him. In the papers that night it was said that they heard Penrode yell to the number three horse saying come on for God sake. Well anyway number three got at the wire in time and it was a photo finish and after the photo they put up number three as the winner but Penrode was barred for life. That night when I went in the city I called Tommy and Tommy wanted to know why so close I told him read the papers tonight as Penrode was sat down for life. The jockey who ran the affair, his name was McCullougecry and he told Furdie that the number three horse did not feel like running. The boy had a hard time trying to make him run and it was true that Penrode was yelling at the boy as he Penrode could not hold back his mount. Penrode did not feel bad about being sat down for life he said all they received for riding the horses in the jump races was thirty-five dollars and there was only one mount a day. If you had a mount one had to be

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lucky. So Penrode went into training horses and up to this day he is still training and is not doing so bad.

In about one week the boys had another race in the bag and this one ran so smooth and everyone was happy even Tommie Milo. I was in Dukes Restaurant for something I don't remember why but I was there. I had forgotten that I had made a five hundred dollar bet for Tony Bender. I had given the bet to Johnnie's brother as I knew that Johnnie Roberts’ brother worked for Tony in the Villege and in Ducke's Restaurant in Fort Lee, New Jersey. Willie Moore reminded me about the bet that I put in for Tony Bender and he wanted to know if we were going to fix anymore races. I told him that I did now know. He told me to call him if I did I forgot to call him. We did not do anything with the races for about ten days and I started to go after hours in the Aida. Gap called me one night and he told me to stay open after four o'clock in the morning. He the Gap had something to do with a place downtown called Jim and Andy and he brought the whole show in the Aida and we had a swell time the girls were in shorts and we closed all the doors and pulled all the shades down and Gap and I started to cook steaks in the oven and we were falling all over one another, there was a bunch of boys from downtown East, all the boys from Madison Street too numerous to mention. When the party was over about

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ten o'clock in the morning the Gap suggested that they give the girls some money for their entertainment. I thought the girls deserved it they were about five girls in all and we gave them 50 dollars apiece - it all clean fun and I gave the girls the Aida cards and I told them when they were out with some Johns and they wanted to eat some good Italian food they should come to the Aida Restaurant and believe me they were coming to the Aida ever since. That is what the Gap was telling me one must advertise. You can't depend only on the neighborhood trade. He was right. We had good food and word got around in all those places downtown and when they got through with their work they like to go to after hour places and have a few drinks and eat at the same time. We had a good restaurant trade and as long as we will put the stools on the bar it was legal for us to stay open. Naturally we served drinks but we were careful and besides we pulled OK with the 104 Street police station and if any of the police came in the Aida they will come to have a drink or maybe eat some good Italian food or maybe a pizza pie we had everything.

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again. I had not seen him much ever since he went away for the violation of his parole. Now the Gap come and see me and he told me to try and get rid of Charlie because he looks like a preacher in the place. He is an old fashioned greasball. I told the Gap that Charlie is looking to get out because I am after houring and he does not like the idea. So the Gap told me to pick an argument with him and let him know and he the Gap will come in as a partner the other Dom did not care what I did because the Aida Restaurant was in a hole before I took a piece and now the Aida is pulling out of the barrel. Charlie was telling me that the reason why the restaurant was in a hole was because he was clipping Danny when I heard them talk that way I knew that I had to get rid of him. It cost me over five thousand dollars to have a third of the Aida but I had to make up a lot of lost and believe me I did. Well we finally bought Charlie out and the Gap came in as a partner and I don't remember how much it cost him but I did tell the Gap that I will let him win the money on the jumps races. I told him that I will give him the horse for free but he must not tell anyone in the meanwhile Son of Tarra was entered in a race in New England and I called the trainer and he told me that he was giving the horse a race and that I should not bother going up there as he will not win, he only wants to give him a race for the tightening up. So I did not go up there it was an allowance race which means no claiming race and he,

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Son of Tarra is facing horses that are worth any price from 20 thousand dollars up to fifty thousand dollars. So that night I bought the Telegraph which shows how horses run and finish. I see that Son of Tarra was leading all the way and then he finish about six. I thought that he ran a good race. I called the trainer up and he told me that the horse ran a good race and that he will put him in a race next week. So I was happy. Now Furdie comes around and he tells me that there are going to work tomorrow and I better be ready so I told him to go and meet them and pick a horse. He said that he had to meet McCullough. I told Furdie to meet me at my house in the morning. I called the Gap and I told him to be home in the morning and I will give him the fix race and told him to get even for the money that he laid out for the Aida. Furdie came over and he gave me the horse and I called the kids and they will get in touch with everyone concerned that day one of the guys did not show up and I was stuck five hundred dolars worth of bets, meaning that the five hundred dollars was part of the twenty-five hundred dollars that I had to bet for the jockeys. Well I was going to get stuck and I went and see the speed boys and I asked them what horse they were betting on in the jumps and they told me Lucky that they had the wrong horse so I told them that I was stuck eight hundred dollars worth of bets and they told me that they will bet for me.

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I said OK here is the horse you are betting on the wrong one thank God. He said even if they had the right horse they will bet for me they know the game. Well the horse won and I got a free three hundred dollar bet for a change. Now the speed boys asked me why don't I give them the deal. I said I can't I will be sutting out everyone stupid of me I should had given him the deal always worrying about someone else. I went home from the track and I wanted to see what happened to the guy that did not show up. I had to go home because I had his phone written in code. I knew if I call that there was no one home because I knew that there will be no one home. When I did call the guy the wife told me that he had not been home all night. When I did hear from him that night he told me that he was out the night before and that he was too drunk to get up in time for the races. I told him from now on I can't afford to be stuck a bet after all I will have to lay out the money and overbet and that is what I don't want to do. OK he said it won't happen again. This fellow's name was Hardy. He was a business man. I forgot all about Vinnie. When he came in the joint in the wee hours of the morning I told him that the night was on me in fact I took everyone check that morning. Now Vinnie tell me I should let him know the next race when it comes up. I told him OK. In the meanwhile Son of Tarra was entered again, this time the trainer told me that I should go

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up to the track as it was important so I went up and the trainer told me that I could bet on the horse but I must not bet much because he, Son of Tarra, shies the gate. He said he was not sure gut he shows every sign of it. I watched him in the morning by shying the gate it means the horse will stop when he comes close to the wire because they always leave the starting gate just about one hundred feet from the wire. The gate stands about ten feet inside the infield that is when a long race is being run and Son of Tarra was a long distance runner. Why does a horsy shy a gate -- a horse sees double and when he shy the gate the way I am telling you he sees triple and that is a headache for the trainer but if a horse runs a three quarter of a mile race there is no gate when he comes close to the wire because the starting gate is left by the three quarter mile pole and there won't be any gate at the finish of a race. When any way Son of Tarra led all the way and near the finish he stopped dead as if some one shot him. Now the trainer tells me not to worry as he is got his number meaning that he knows his faults and that means a lot it takes a good trainer to find these faults right away. Well I did not lost much but we at least knew we have a good horse on our hands if he can lead all the way with the best horses in New England there is nothing to worry about this horse he is only three years old. I lost three hundred dollars on him. Now I come back to New York and

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I'm hoping thet Furdie comes around soon. Sure enough he comes around in a few days and he tells me that they are going to work tomorrow. I get in touch with Vinnie and I tell him that the boys are ready for tomorrow. He tells me that he will meet me at the track before the race comes up. I tell Furdie to come to the house in the morning as we always do the next morning Furdie comes over and I go through the same routine and again we go to the track, this time I'm going to bet almost all the money that I am winning. We make the bet and Vinnie bets one thousand seven hundred dollars but he was half with his partner and I don't remember who was his partner at that time. I bet much more than he did and they are running and the horse takes the lead and he is going very nice he is taking the jumps smoothly. Now comes the last jump and he falls and almost got hurt very bad - he nor the jockey got hurt. Gee I was sweating like pig what is it the horses seem to know when one has a ton of money on him. I never cash a bet everytime I get a decent bet on a horse. Vinnie was swearing and was saying that is the first and last bet that he will make on a horse. He was saying that he will rather give his money to the girls. Gee I told him if I knew that you never bet on a horse I would had never told you anything about the horse. Well he said I'm just mad because I feel that I jumped the horse. I made the horse lose. Well Vinnie I said they the boys will give us

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a free horse tomorrow because that is the way it is supposed to be if ever a horse falls so you better let me call you tomorrow so he said you can call me but I won't bet. I just want to see what he does. OK I said let's go. I did not feel like staying at the track any more so we went home. That was the first loss on the jumps and it was a good one the next day. Furdie called me and he told me to have a bet on a certain horse. He said the jockey gave it to him and they said it is for free so try and get some money back so I put fifty dollars on the horse and I called the kids and I told them to give the horse to everyone and let them make a bet. I called Vinnie and he said he won't bet but he want to see what the horse does so I give him the horse. Well the horse won and paid 12 to 1 boy Vinnie was fit to be tied. He said if he bet the horse will had lost. I told him that he weakened me or I would had put more. I took it cheap see what I mean I told Vinnie see how they kids are they know we lost our shirt yesterday and they gave us a free horse. Well Vinnie said that he is no gambler. Well I said to myself everytime I meet a guy he takes the heart out of me. Every time I want to step out on a horse someond discourages me. The reason why they discourage me is because I know that they are right and one does not need to tell me much to discourage me. I'm so easily led that I almost hate myself when I think about it. I could had given the deal and shut everyone out no

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I'm thinking of others. I ought to get my head examined. I had to stop writing just thinking about it. The speed boys would had made the bets out of town and they would had kept the price up on the horses they gave me the eight hundred dollars bet so easy it ain't a bit funny. I used to speak to a guy name Joe, he was the one who put up all the money for the speed boys and he was the one that said give us the deal and we take care of you. Yes Joe I'm sorry that I did not give you the deal you are a real gentlemen. I had Son of Tarra entered again in a race and it was a tough race but to my surprise the trainer told me on the phone that Son of Tarra is going to win. He was going against a horse that was worth 75 thousand dollars, his name was Halberail. When I got to New England I found that phony that tried to beat me the time he was supposed to have customers to bet for us when I had Knights Duchess. This time he said that he will take me to the fishman in Boston and he said I should apeal to the fisherman. He said the guy is rich and is a nice guy. OK I told him I just want to show you how much you lost when you did not play on the level with me so I went with him and I met the fishman and he was a fine fellow and I told him what did he have on his mind. He said that he will give me a five hundred dollar bet if I am sure that Son of Tarra will win. I said there ain't a race on earth that one can say that he is sure even if the race if fixed. I forgot the fishman's name but he had boats and he was a big man in the fish

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business. If I was so sure I told him I will bet every cent I owned but as I said we have an edge and we got one horse to beat. He asked me which one and I asked him you look at the race and I'm sure you will know which horse. He said we got to be mighty good to beat Halbarail. I said we will beat him. I know why I said. He the fishman asked me how do I know. I said my horse needs speed to run with him this way my horse will be too busy to notice the starting gate as he shies the starting gate. Gee the fishmen said it ain't the first time. I heard the same thing about other horses. Yes I said I never heard it myself until my trainer told me. He said you have the best trainer in New England States. I'm glad you know it I told him and then he turned to Charlie. Why didn't you let me meet this guy before. He talks like common sense you and your fixed races he told Charlie that's what I want to bet on the best horse in the race not a whole story about how the race is fixed and then the horse runs last. The fishman said to me your horse if four to one, Halbarail is four to five, meaning one had to put up five dollars to win four but if one put five dollars on Son of Tarra he will win twenty dollars. Now he asked me if it was wise to bet for first and second. I said that's the way to do, protect your front money. Now we understand one another he said and he told Charlie not to bring any more guys to him only Joe. Well we went at the track and I called New York and I bet three hundred to win and three hundred for second and I has some money that I

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was going to bet in the race track after all I got to take care of the Jock if he wins and five stable hands. This is the only way to be liked by the stable help or believe me if they take a dislike in you God help you and that is what the old man always told me as soon as we win a race the first thing to do is take care of the help don't give them much but take care of them. Now the race is off and I have the finish of this race today. Son of Tarra and Halbrail pull away from the field about a block believe me I never saw a two horse race as this one nearing the wire the boy on Halbarail hit Son of Tarra in the mouth with the whip and with all that he, Son of Tarra, won by a head and they ran the fastest time of the meet. Son of Tarra paid 980, 380, 300. I'll never forget these prices and Halbarail paid 280 for second. I asked the old man how come Son of Tarra ran such a good race. He said he put straight blinkers on him and he could see nowhere but straight. Gee I gave the trainer a hug and a kiss on the cheek. Here is the money that I gave out, three hundred to the trainer, two hundred to the jockey his name was T. Bull, fifty dollars to Whity, he was the groom that personally took care of Son of Tarra and ten dollars each to the rest of the help. I did not need to bust the old man had 24 horses in the barn and he had plenty of help. I think he had nine more men besides the groom. I was so happy who cared about money Son of Tarra won a four thousand dollar purse and

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besides by him winning this race he is now worth at least twenty-five thousand dollars and more. He had won an allowance race which means no one could claim him for no amount of money and to win a race like the one Son of Tarra won it had to be a horse and especially they ran the fastest time of the meet and the meet was just about over maybe in two weeks. I remember clear. Now I come back to New York and it wasn't long before Furdie had another race and I must say the horse won but the jockey that ran everything and I'll say that he was the boss the way Furdie will explain to me he will tell the rest of the boys now listen he will say you guys are in this deal and I don't want any funny business you either in or out and if you are in I don't want any double crossing or I'll break your neck. Well this was the last race for McCullough he falls off the horse on the last two jumps and it was in front of the stands and everyone saw it clear when the boy made an attempt to raise he was kicked right in the head and we all thought that he was dead and lots of people were crying. The last time I saw Furdie I'll say was around 1958 and he told me that the boy is still in the insane hospital. Now I did not know what he meant by the insane hospital, he will explain to me it was a private hospital and that the track was paying everything but the kid will never be the same. Now the other kids ran a race for the kid after he got hurt and

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Furdie and I made a bet and we did not tell anyone and Furdie gave the money to one of the jockeys but I don't remember who and how much. Now the meet is about to close and the boys are going to Maryland and they wanted to do business in Maryland. I told Furdie no good I can't follow the horses around the world. The last I heard of the boys that same year they done business with some mob in Maryland and when the horse won and the kids did not get paid one of them went to the stewards and told everything and a couple of guys got arrested and I don't remember what happened I read it in the newspaper but I did not try to remember. I said to myself no wonder people talk the gip artists ruin everything. I don't pay attention as to what the papers say but later on I met Furdie and he told me what happened and it was the way the newspapers said they had the right story after all. I'm taking care of the Aida at this time and the Gap starts a poker game in the cellar of the Aida Restaurant we had a trap door behind the bar. First we had to lift the door up and then go downstairs by a ladder made in a style of a fire escape. Well I must say it was a gone one will not believe. I had all money men and who broke them all after a few months, Paul Gambino. He won about sixty thousand dollars. When it was all over my friend Mike was mixed up in the game one guy by the name of Sammie lost about thirty thousand dollars. I don't remember how Freddie made out but the Gap held his own. One night along I cut one thousand

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dollars and everytime one made a pot he would throw five or ten dollars to the bartender and he will say give everyone a drink. Of course there was another bartender upstairs at the Bar. I had to laugh at times when someone came looking for me and if it was important the bartender will tell the party whoever it may had been come back in fifteen minutes and Joe will be here the party will say but where are you hanging out everytime I look in the restaurant you are never there. Well we kept the game a secret because not everyone could afford to play in a game of that sort. I was sure getting the Aida in shapes. I was buying a lot of whiskey. I had about five thousand dollars in stock. The game ended up because of I.O.Us. Paul figures what the use of playing if they don't pay their I.O.U.s. First Paul was no ones fool in the day the boys were at the track and in the night they were playing one time the game lasted twenty-four hours and I think that was the last night of the game, well I was out of trouble with the Aida when I first came in I don't know how much they owed for taxes but I knew it was plenty and I had most of it paid I was taking a week's pay and so was Dan and the Gap. Now one night I get mad and I get rid of the chef as 225 dolars a week was too much. When I got rid of the chef the second chef quit. I went and hired a woman and I got rid of the hat checking and I put two waitresses to work. Now instead of one thousand seven hundred dollars that I had to take in to break even I cut it down to one thousand dollars

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and anything over that amount was ours. We were doing about fifteen to two thousand a week so we were in good shape. One night Pipe the Blind and another guy by the name of Freddie came in the restaurant and they were having something to eat when all of a sudden one of them throws the table at the other one. Now among us that is a very bad rap. I could put them on the carpet for doing such a thing but being a good friend of both of them I got in between and I stopped all the commotion by saying the law was coming in. I just did it to calm them down. Tough guy Joe Stutz walks in and tell me that Mike Cappola sent him to me to tell me not to make any charges against Pipe or Freddie. I tell Joe who told you or Mike that I'm going to make any charges they both friends of mine. Then I tell Joe Stutz if it was I that started something like this will Mike worry about me. Well anyway I tell Joe to forget about it and I hear that Pipe the Blind went somewhere after Joe Stutz left and I hear Pipe went for a gun. Well I get hold of Freddie and I put him in the car and I drive him out of the neighborhood and he wanted to know why I don it I could not tell Freddie why because if I did Freddie will go and get a gun and then I will really have a headache. Now Mike sends for me and I go to 116 Street, First Avenue and when I got there Mike was talking to Pipe the Blind. I waited a couple of minutes and then I went away. Now Joe Stutz comes back to the Aida and he said Mike wanted to know why I left so fast. Well I said I felt like a stiff

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and a creep on the sidealk so I left is there anything wrong with that. He Joe said no then what is it that you want. He said Mike only want to know if I am going to forget about what happened. I said I will forget it regardless. OK he said so long. So long I said and I closed the Aida as it was late and I did not feel like afterhouring so I went home. Now during the same week who started to come in the Aida since I cut out the high class restaurant and I made it so that anyone can come in rich or poor, Fiori and Joe Pagano. I'll say they were in their teens. I walked over to them and I told them to stay out of the Aida as I knew they were in the junk business and I did not want any of those guys coming in the Aida. Remember this Joe I don't think you forgot it I'll tell you and Fiore Seano more later on. One night at about three o'clock in the morning I happened to look outside and not more than one hundred feet I see a big trailer so big that I think that it had about eight wheels so I call Danny Yankee and I asked him if he knew anything about the trailer. He said that he did but he did not know why they left it in front of the place. He said he could not understand. Well I said do you think that it is nice to park here in front of the Aida. He called Chick 00 and he told him about it and Chick 99 said he can't understand why they parked it in front of the restaurant. Well while we were talking two guys walked in and they were dressed like truck drivers and

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they went into a huddle and they walked out and Danny comes over to me and he explains everything to me and he tells me that the reason why they parked it in front of the restaurant was because they could not fit the trailer in the drop where they went and they went to another spot and if I wanted a piece of the load they will give it to me. I told them that I did not and beside I did not like the Iodine Brothers. I could talk like I did to Danny as Danny is the same fellow that I told you about the time I went and see him in Long Island and his wife called the cops when she found a gun under his pillow. Well anyway there was a pinch but I don't remember just how as I say that I did not trust the Iodine Brothers. I knew they did some talking and I never say Danny again since that night and until today I don't know why but it took me a long time to find out that Danny was buried and I still don't know why. When I met his wife Ann in the dentist office around 1958 and she wanted to know from me if I ever seen Danny in the last ten years. No Ann I did not and I did not know what I'm telling you at the time I had to find out what happened to Danny in Atlanta. So Ann if you read this now you will know. Now the big phony Chilie Scoop the fellow who was partner with me and one who swindle me to take a piece of the Aida writes Danny and I to the club, 116 Street, between Third and Lexington Ave. and I don't know why we went up there or yes I remember it

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because of Danny's father as he was a doctor and he belonged to the club. Phony Charlie starts a fight with Danny and naturally I can't go against Charlie because he is a member so he put me in a spot and Danny thought that I was against him but I was not. My hands were tied. I did break it up I felt like going to work on Charlie but I could not afford it because I just got though with a carpet. Well we broke it up and Danny was not the same any more. He was always afraid of me after that. One day I left Danny in the place and there was six hundred dollars in a bag and it was under the bag that we kept under the bar, the bag was there because it was always damp in that spot and I never put money there but for about an hour until Danny was ready to leave but I got a phone call and I left but I told Danny that when he goes don't forget to take the money home with him as he had to deposit the money in the bank the next morning. Well when I came back to the restaurant I found out that they stole the money on Danny as he claimed that he left it on the bar for a second and it disappeared. Everyone in the place at the time tells me that he is lying because no one saw him leave anything on the bar. They all say that they saw him bending down and picking up something and he walked out. So I go to Danny's house, 116 Street and I tried to talk to him and I tried to make him understand that Charlie pulled that phony move because when you were partner with him and the place

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was not doing too good and now he sees it bouncing he is jealous and he is trying to discourage you now. If you took that money and you needed it you can have it but Danny got all excited and I could not convince him. His father came and spoke to me. He thought that it was disgraceful as to what happened in the club that night but the old man could see the light but Danny could not. Even my fiirst cousin Emily tried to talk to him but she could not convince him. While all this is going on one of my brothers-in-law come in the Aida and he tells me that a guy was over to the house and he told us that your brother John is in the Bellevue Hospital Morgue. He said that he is there about two weeks and that he thought that the guy that come over was a detective and he spoke in Italian and he said tell Joe to go to the hospital but I will not leave my name. Tell him I am a friend of his so I call up a friend of mine who is an undertaker and we go to the hospital and we start from one end of the morgue to the other end and when it came almost to the end of the slab sure enough we find him and we call the officer in the morgue and we ask him how come the kid is marked unknown when his fingers are full of ink which indicates that they took his fingerprints. He said that he could not account for it. So I started to call him some names and Dom the undertaker grabs me and walked me out of the hospital and on the way home he tells me that he thought that his color bone was broken. I said to Dom how do you like it the

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kid is got a record and they took his prints and they got the nerve to mark unknown. Boy it is something. Well we lay out the kid at the St. Lawrence Funeral Parlor and I spread the rumor around that the kid got killed by a hit and run and I tell the same thing to the family. I figured if I tell the family that the Bulls killed him they will go to the DA and I can't afford it. If one asked me why the detective went to my brother-in-law I will tell you because they were in a jam if they the law will find out who the kid was, they must had figured that I won't say anything that's why they went to the in-law because they went to some one whom they were sure that he, my brother-in-law, will not know them or him because my brother-in-law, told me that he thought there were two of them, one stood on the side. After the kid was laid out one day they, the police, called up and asked the undertaker what was the cause of death but the undertaker told him if he wanted to find out to come to the undertaker. He said OK but he never showed up. One night after the kid was buried they came in the Aida, it was about two o'clock in the morning when they sat down and they had something to eat. When they got the check it was about eight dollars and they only gave the waiter three dollars and when the waiter came over to me I was in the back with Pip the Blind and the waiter explained to me that when he told them that the check is eight dollars not three dollars they told

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the waiter to tell your boss to come and collect - we will be outside. When the waiter told me what he told me, Pipe looked at me and I looked at him. We got up and we went out through the back entrance. Pipe told me they are worried because you made no beef, now they are looking to kill you because they figure that you are going after them. Yes I said I'm staying away from the Aida late at night. I will be around only in the afternoon when people are around. Pipe said make sure you do it these guys are worried. Yes I said that's why they called the undertaker and the undertaker gave them a fresh answer and now they want to take out on me. They thought that I will go and give them an argument for the little cause of a couple of dollars. They ain't smart at all I told Pipe. Well I lost all interest in the restaurant and it was not doing so well because I was not in the place at night. I find out later that they, the bulls, lock the kid up for something and the kid promised them some money and they let him go but the kid did not pay the money and when they caught up with him they gave him a beating but did not mean to kill him. One of the big dogs hit him a rap and the kid fell and broke his collar bone. Then they took him out of the 126 Street police station and put him on the street and made it appear as though he got hit by a car. Now one of the detectives from the 126 Street Police Station wanted to tell me who the two Bulls were but I put up my

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hand to his moth and told him that I did not want to know. He caught himself and he said that I was right, after all this is a funny world something may happen to one or the other and I got to be open as a suspect. The detective gave me a lot of credit he used to come to another restaurant that I bought in the Bronx, I will talk about it later on.

One night I got a phone call and I don't remember who called me told me to look in the window to see if the License of the Aida is there. That's where we kept the License. Well it was not there. I went back on the phone and I tell the caller that he is right it ain't in the window. The caller tells me that Danny turned the License in. I tried to get in touch with Danny but I could not find him. Well now I must act as I was buying a lot of stock. I figure the bum Danny will get everything so late that night I got a truck and I loaded all the whiskey on the truck and I brought it all up in the Bronx in a few days I was told by someone, I don't remember who, that I had to go to the D.A. office in Manhattan County. I went down there with the wise guy Charlie Scoop and ex-Judge Francis X. Mancuso, Scotty the D.A. in Manhattan or the Assistant D.A., I don remember what kind of D.A. he was, sat me down and asked me if I took the whiskey out of the Aida. I said that I did not. The D.A. said that Dan said that I did. Well ask him if he was there when I took it. The D.A. was

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going from one room to another because Danny did not have the nerve to face me. Then I told the D.A. to tell Danny that if you prove that he is lying he Danny can get five years for perjury. When he heard that he can get five years for perjury he started changing his story. When Charlie explained to the D.A. that I lost my money by buying into the Aida the D.A. told me to go home and forget all about it. So I called Danny on the side and I told him you fool I would had got you even in the joint. You made Charlie con you in to what you did and on top of it all you were looking to let me go to jail. Now you lost your pay every week and you ain't got anything, whatever I received for the whiskey I don't remember but one thing I know that I split it with the Gap. Charlie made me an enemy for life because he purposely brought me in the Aida to let me lose money. I made plenty of money with the Aida but it all went for back bills. It cost Danny and Charlie forty-two thousand dollars to build the Aida. It was formerly a drug store and it was owned by Charlie Scoop's father-in-law, and he also owned the building.

Now as long as I am free and it is winter time I go and buy a half share of the Ritz Bar at West Farms at 180 Street. It was a nice little bar and I had for my partner, Max the fellow who I thought put the stamps in my car as I spoke about it in the early part of this story. Well about the Ritz the only

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thing I can say about it - that Max was another Charlie Scoop. I think that I was there about three months when a detective came over and told me that I better get rid of the Ritz because in about three weeks the Ritz is going to lose its license so I kept it quiet and I told Max that I want my money back and fast so he gave me my money and I went about my business. Then I hear that Max sold the Ritz right after I got out. Now the new owner lost their license and it took about six months before they got a license. Before they got their license they came and see me and asked me if I or Max knew that the Ritz was going to lose its license. I told them that I did not know anything I had to tell them a lie because the detective told me that if I say or repeat what he told me he will hold it against me for the rest of my life. The detective came around and told me that did I hear that the Ritz lost its license. I said I did and I tried to give him some money but he refused saying when a guy is fair he gets treated fair. By that he meant that he made money other times.

Now I happened to meet Frank the guy that I was partner in the stamp business, he tells me that he is building a restaurant in the Castle Hill section. He asked me to stop over and look at the place. He said that it will take about three months - it was a tax payer building and they were building all kind of stores on the Avenue. I'll say about eight

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stores. One day I took a ride around there and the place was half built and I like the place as I could see that it was going to be a cozy little place. He asked me again if I want a piece. I still told him I'll let him know. If the reader is wondering how do we do business, well that is the way we do things. The fellow who has the license under his name may not even know who is who in cases like I'm talking about. The only thing in this case the license was going to be under Frank's son's name, so it was like a family affair and we don't even sign any papers - we do business on our honor. I take a third and we figured what it will cost me. I know it was somewhere around sixty-seven hundred dollars. It cost about twenty-four thousand, five hundred dollars but everything was not paid. There was a mortgage on the cooling system and also on the booths and the cash register. Everything else was paid. On the grand opening of the Lido Restaurant it was a bang - two hundred and fifty customers were turned out. It was that way all of the month. I remember the take was at the end of the week say twenty-one hundred or twenty-two hundred dollars. Well I must say it was doing too good to be true. I asked Frank if we were going to take a salary and he will stall me all the time. As we opened in the middle of the winter, the spring time came around so fast one will never realize. Horses started to run here and there and I was waiting for Son of Tarra to run and in the

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meanwhile the baseball season started and no salary and I was getting a little suspicious. I started to come around when Frank was not around to see if I can find out anything. I was worried that he might find out of my suspicions and I was worried about hurting his feelings so I was very careful. I was talking to Frank's son, as by this time he was the day bartender, but I could get nothing out of him. Frank walks in one afternoon and I ask him I can't understand this place is doing so good and we can't get any money out of it. All of a sudden a letter comes in or a liquor truck stops in the Lido and he asked for fifty-five dollars for a case of P.T. Now this company deals only in one brand of whiskey - at least that is all they had at that time, I don't know what it is today. I happened to remember that this bill was paid last month because I happened to be there when Frank signed all the liquor bills and sent them out. My next move is to find out if we are on C.O.D. if that is so then something is wrong. Well Frank and I were walking up and down the Avenue and Frank must had noticed that I was worried. Frank said something but I only caught part of it so I asked what do you say. He was saying that he met and is got a good rabbi meaning what I asked. He went on to explain that in case he is on the carpet for anything he had a good lawyer. Listen Frank as long as you want to talk that way let me tell you something if

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I find out what I am looking to find out I'll give you a lawyer, you will need more than a lawyer believe me you will. You know Frank I might as well tell you if you are doing some funny business in that restaurant you better straighten it out, boy I'm telling you I'm sick of having tables. I will take the law into my own hands. He looked at me and I was sure that he was worried. During the same week I meet a bookmaker from Forham and he is telling me the Yankee are finally giving him a break. I said I don't know what you are talking about. At that time I did not bother with baseball and I did not know anything about baseball. He tells me your friend took a good bath this last couple of days. I asked who Frank? Yes he said both he and his son are playing with him and they are both taking a good bath this whole week. That night I was out and I was in a joint and the owner had been at the Lido not long before. I went there so I spent pretty good, the next night I was in the Lido and I said to Frank give me sixty dollars. He asked for what. Last night I made a call and let alone I don't get any money out of this joint I got to spend money besides he looked at me and he gave me the money. The following night I was in the Lido and I had a lot of my friends there but not knock around guys but friends from the old neighborhood. It was about 12 o'clock at night when Frank walked in and he said that he was in the same joint

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that I was the night before and that he spent some money. I told the bartender to give Frank what he wanted, Frank looked at me and he said that he wanted two thousand dollars. I looked at Frank and I said that I was in no mood to be kidding. He said that he was not kidding so I walked away and I went at the end of the bar and I was alone in the corner and he came over and he said well do I get the money. I did not answer, the whole thing sounded so fantastic I did not want to waste any energy on such a stupid request. He shook me and he said, hey I mean it or I said you are looking for trouble. You must had just left your rabbi. He said that's right so I grab him by the tie and I pulled him in the back room away from the bar and I tell him put up your hands I'm going to swing on you. He tried to block his face but I pulled his hands away from his face and I rap him on his left and right eyes. He just stood there and I realize fast that this guy came in here tonight to take a beating because he must had talked to his rabbi and his rabbi must had told him that he ain't got a chance. I got so angry that I was dragging him down the cellar from the kitchen because there is where he landed as I was hitting him the pie man stopped me. He was from Forham and he knew the score. Now he is bathing his both eyes and as I had my back turned he runs out of the joint. I ran after him but he was in his car by the time I reached him he was turning and he yelled at me and said wait for me I'm coming back. I called up two friends

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and I told him what happened in Italian the best way I could, in other words I was telling them to come with something because if Frank comes back and he Will kill me. He won't pay for it because hitting any members with hands or anything else is a very serious charge. Now from right I'm wrong. After I made the call the phone rings and for the love of me its Frank. He said that he was sorry for what he caused and is willing to forget about it. Well, now I must report it to Tony Bender as he is my Lt. I said to myself that this guy is up to something, if I don't report it I am in trouble if he does. Now the readers of this book must realize what I'm going to say this is a very treacherous trick that Frank is trying to pull but I fool him I call Tony Bender and I tell him that I beat up Frank Luciano. He tells me to meet him in the Savannah Club. Tony Bender and Vito Genovese own the Savannah Club. It is a late hour spot, so I go and see Tony and I explain everything to him. He said he will not report it but if someone calls him he will say, Gee I was going to get in touch with you. It is a good thing I said to myself that my friend Vinnie hangs out with Tony Bender because this is one time if Tony is not sincere I will be in a lot of trouble but Vito Genovese is back from Italy and I had not seen him yet as this is 1946 that I am talking about. Vinnie gets in touch with me and he tells me that Tony told him what happened and that I should not worry and that he will be in the Lido tonight. I go to the Lido that afternoon after Vinnie calls me and there is

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Frank in the joint and he has dark glasses. He asked me if I said anything. I said why should I say anything I was ashamed to look at Frank's son. I was wondering if he knew anything. I figured Frank can't be that stupid as to tell his son that he got a beating and then on the other hand the son was in on everything and maybe Frank told him the trick that he is trying to pull and I must say if he, the son, knew anything he made a good job by acting or pretending that he did not know anything. That night about six or seven o'clock I got a phone call from Tony and he told me did that guy run. He ran like a deer but if you see him pretend that you don't know anything Tony I said he left here about an hour ago. Why that son of a gun he left Jersey only a couple of hours ago he must had come to your joint. I asked Tony how does it look. Tony said don't worry about anything I saw Albert and he is mad as hell he can't understand where this guy came from and who put him in. I said I know who put him in. Tony asked me who. I said Jimmy Marino the guy that was killed in the barber chair in the Bronx in 1931. Oh Tony said. We were talking in Italian all the time and we were abbreviating every word, by Albert he meant Albert Anastasia, he was Frank's boss and Albert was going to handle the whole affair but Frank did not know about it. Well I was called one night from a guy in Forham, his name was Paul and he was an important guy but I knew him a long time and he asked me to stop in his office in the afternoon. I did and when I got up there he told me how come

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you make that guy make a fool out of you. He meant Frank. I asked how by him telling you that he was not going to report it. I asked Paul did he hear anything like that I did not report anything. He said I only know what Frank told me and I asked and what did he tell you. He said that he is got you just where he wants you. How do you feel about it I asked. Well how do I feel I called you to put you wise it ain't late you can still report it. Well Paul I ain't supposed to tell anyone but as long as you feel the way you do I'll tell you, I reported it the same night it happened. Frank is cute but not smart. How smart can he be when he comes up with such bright ideas. You see what he is trying to do number one, he was afraid because he stole plenty out of the Lido. Two, he is trying to hire his yellowness because he did not have the nerve to come and shoot me that night. So he is making us believe he schemed this story up to hire the other. Paul shook hands with me and said that I got him right and then asked me if I was prepared for him that night after he left the Lido. I gave Paul a long look and I nod my head, meaning yes. Now Paul tells me that he, Frank, and his son stole plenty from the Lido. Paul said that Frank told him so, About how much I asked he said Frank told him about eighteen thousand dollars and then Paul told me that Frank told him that the Lido grossed 70 thousand dollars in the year that you are there. Well Paul tell me did you think that a member will steal another member. Paul said this thing of ours is gone to the dogs, everyone is trying to

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steal someone. I just shook my head and said if it was I that did a thing like Frank done I'll be dead without a trail. You not kidding Paul said. Then he told me that John the pieman told him that if it wasn't for him you would had killed him that night. He said you were in a rage. Well I realize fast that I goofed but I could not help it. No you right Paul said especially when he asked for two grand, it was plain that he was out for no good. Well so long Paul I said let me go before I go nuts, believe me it is not easy to write it. I still get sick when I think about it. I did not tell you how I borrowed ten thousand dollars and I put it in the Lido but it help me to get the Lido. I will explain it after I got my hearing in Duckes Restaurant in Fort Lee, New Jersey. Now I want to explain as to what Son of Tarra did in 1946. I did not have a chance to talk about it as I was busy talking about the Lido. As soon as the meet opened my trainer entered Son of Tarra and I went to New England and I see Millen instead of Haymaker. Gee I was disappointed. I asked what happened and Millen tells me that he split up with the old man and he is going to take care of Son of Tarra for a couple of months. If he can't do anything then he will turn him over to the old man. Well what can I say so I asked what do we do today and he said no betting today as he is not ready yet. OK I watched the race and I did not like the way he ran, I went and see the old man and I told him that I gave the horse

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to him. Now I got another trainer. The old man said Joe leave him alone for a couple of months, I'm sure that he can't do anything with him. You see Joe the horse is worth thirty thousand dollars when he can't do anything then I will buy him off. I'm sure he can't do anything with him. I know what I'm talking about so I said OK, Sport. Then he told me don't bet on Son of Tarra while he is training him. I said OK. I went and talk to Mr. Millen and I felt sorry for him and I told Mr. Millen do you want to win with this horse. He said that he will give his left arm if he can win. So I told him that Son of Tarra won a good race at Belmont Park and Eddie Accardo rode him and he won in the good time of 111 flat at three quarter of a mile. Mr. Millen looked surprised and he said that he will try and win a race at three quarter of a mile. In about ten days Mr. Millen had Son of Tarra in a 3/4 of a mile race as his past performance did not show in the charts because he had won this race about 14 months before. He had a good boy on the horse but not the best, I don't remember who it was, but he could had better and when I told him so he said he trusted this boy but he was in doubt with the rest of them. Then in that case I told him that he done the right thing. Son of Tarra was fifty to one on the sheet. The sheet mean the Daily Horses Sheet called Armstrong entry and selection. I did not go to the track not to show that the horse was out to win it was getting so that when

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people or trainers will say, Oh, Oh, Joe is going to win today. Meaning that I come when he is going to win and I don't come when he is going to lose and beside I knew that the old man will ask me if it was my idea that we entered Son of Tarra in a short race. Mr. Millen told me not to bet on the horse. I told him OK I will not bet on the horse but I did. I bet one hundred win, one hundred place and one hundred third all insured, Now I will explain why I made Mr. Millen put him in a short ract at the 3/4 mile post where the horse start in a short race, the starting gate remains at the 3/4 mile pole. There will be no need to worry about Son of Tarra shying the gate because there won't be any gate to shy. Well I did not hear the race because I did not have the nerve, but I was near the radio about an hour before the race sometimes I will be so nervous that I will get in the car and ride around and put the car radio on and I was in the car when the results come in on the radio and I will never forget it until the day I die. It said in the fifth race at Suffolk Down at East Boston it is a photo finish between Can Double and Son of Tarra. Boy one can imagine how I felt and how long it seem to me before the guy on the radio come back and said the results at Suffolk Down in the fifth race is Can Double the winner and Son of Tarra second. God I was so happy that he finish second and paid 44 dollars for second. I don't remember the show price but it was good. To think that it was

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my idea that the trainer put him in the 3/4 mile race on my say so. I had to first collect and then go straight to Boston. I did not care what time that I will get yhere. When I got to Boston I went straight to the barn and Mr. Millen was not there I went to the old man's trailer camp and when I walked in the trailer the old man greeted me with a hug. Joe he said he ran a mighty race but Can Double is one of the best sprinters around this race track and for a minute we all thought that it was going to be a dead heat, meaning a tie, they both will win. Can Double was the odds on choice in the race. I knew what price he would had paid if he had won so I did not ask, he would had paid 182 dollars for two dollars. I would had collected 92 hundred dollars. That's what nose meant to me, plus the purse. Now I go back to Mr. Millen and he was happy and when I told him that I bet on Son of Tarra he said that he expected it but he was afraid that I will bet too much. We collected 875 dollars for second, that was the amount that the second horse got. Now we start talking about big doing but after I left Mr. Millen I went back to the old man and he broke my heart he told me the truth that Mr. Millen is drinking and he is not giving Son of Tarra the best of care but he told me not to worry. Sport, I said what do you mean I should not worry, that is the only thing that I have. I forgot to mention the time of the race, it was 111 2/5 stake horse time, because all of New England race tracks are show with the exception of Rockingham and that is in New Hampshire.

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The old man assured me that he will get the horse back. I told the old man I have a lot of respect for Mr. Millen but I gave you the horse. I would had not come back in the horse business if it were not for you. Do you want that I should tell him. He said no but I did anyway. I told Mr. Millen that' things are not so good in New York and at this time we had a jobbing business on Fifty Second Street on Tenth Ave. we were selling jukeboxes, pin ball machines and what we call roll downs, they are the machines that have the big balls and look like pin balls games. Some of the Roll Downs are in the style of bowling pins, just like bowling alley. Mr. Millen assured me that he will not hurt me for any amount of money in the world just give me a few more races with this horse and if I don't make good I'll return him over to the old man. I know this is a tough horse to train and the boys tell me he is a tough horse to ride ome of them will not ride him for any amount of money. I asked shy and he said that Son of Tarra can wheel and stop on a dime and if he don't like his rider that is just what he will do. I wonder if the reader realize how much one has to know to own horses.

Frank left the business in such bad shape that I was prepared to tell the people at the table that I was forced to borrow 10 thousand dollars in order to put the restaurant in shape. All I had to do was paid fifty dollars a week and that was easy because I will not feel it and besides I wanted to make a success out of

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the business and I figured it out how much it will cost me and it was still a bargain. I was ready to borrow the money from a business man that I don't care to mention his name. I was going to spring this surprise, especially when Frank was on the table. After three or four postponements the hearing was held and before the hearing I had asked Willie Morelli to keep this whole mess away from Vito Genovese because I felt because of Vito being my coupe I did not want him or anyone else to think that I took advantage because he Vito had just got back from Italy and he had just beaten a murder case. Maybe I felt that he would had been more hard on me, who knows buy I felt better knowing that he Vito was in the building we were all hanging around the restaurant and Frank made it his business to get close to me and numbled to me. He said I knew you reported it and I told him if you don't get out of here I'll start with you in here you double crossing bum. What did you think I trusted you. I must explain to the reader if Frank did not report it then Tony Bender would had kept his mouth shut.

We are all called in the restaurant room and there was Tony Bender, Frank, Charley Brush, who represented Frank, Albert Anastasia, who was the boss because Charlie Brush could not handle this affair and beside Charlie Brush was only acting Lt. for Joe Riccibone, as Joe Riccibone was in the hospital. Albert Anastasia started to do the talking and he started with me. He first said to me

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you know that you could start a war by what you did and there is no excuse for a guy like you. You know all the rules and you know what will happen if you did not take the law into your own hands but from right you are wrong. Frank tried to talk at this moment but he was told to keep his mouth shut. I was told not to talk no matter what Albert says. Then Albert said well let not make a long story out of it. He asked who wants the restaurant and Frank said that he wanted it but Albert told him you had it and you burned it up now I want to know from you Frank what kind of shape is the restaurant in. Frank said in bad shape. Al said right back, bad shape, eh. Frank put his head down and Al told him you are lucky to as I said Al said lets end it and asked Frank how much have you got in the restaurant and Frank said twice 67 hundred because my son had a third and he has the same amount of money in the restaurant as I got, so with that Al looked at me and said give him a couple of thousand dollars and Frank tried to say something and Al said take what I said or you don't get anything. Frank asked me if he will get it in cash. I told him after I straighten out with all the bills if there is any cash left, if not, you will have to wait. He made a funny face. As it was about to break up I said to Al how about the license. He said it is good you brought it out. Al said to Frank you make sure the license stays under your son's name and if you do anything wrong you will hear from me. I hold you responsible for the Lido Restaurant.

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I heard as I said that Vito was upstairs, it was more than right that I go upstairs and see Vito. I shook hands with him and now I wanted to see for myself if he knew anything so I told him that I just got through with a carpet and he said that he knew then asked me how did things go. I told him fine then I asked him that I may be short some money as Frank makes me understand that the joint is in real bad shape. He called Solly Moore which is Willie Moore's brother, and Vito told him lend Joe whatever he needs. So Sol called me in another room and he asked me how much I need. I said just give me enough for the licence and I will manage. I wanted to see if I would have received the money and then on the other hand Frank thought that I would never make it and I figured that I will be able to buy him out cheaper. I know Frank sure enough Frank comes around and I tell him that I ain't got the money and he tells me that I got money in the sharklocking business. I give him a look and I tell him everytime you open your mouth I feel like starting all over again and if you don't cut it out I'll go to Jersey and I'll tell Albert that you are coming over and bothering me. You are looking for me to take out my money from the sharklocking business and that is my living. It seems to me that it bother you since the time we made the money on the last stamp deal it appears to me that you are looking to break me. I want to know where are you going to go if I lost

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any money in this restaurant. You better pray not for me but for yourself you don't think that you are going to get away with it if I go broke with this restaurant. I'll tell you what I'll do I'll give you two thousand cash and we will call it even you made a ton of money in this joint. I see he said now you have the money. No I said I'm going to a sharklock and I must pay the interest so what do you want. I want to do it just so that I don't see your face. I'm afraid that I may be doing bad and you might come around and I might lose my head. Frank said give me the money. That's the way to do I said you already got your money and anything you get now it is found. So Frank took his money and he ran like a thief that he was. Now he comes up with another story. He asked me if I want to give his son five hundred dollars a year for the license. He said after all his son stands to be marked bad with the A.B.C. Board. I answered him he stands to be marked bad. Are you kidding, he is already marked and you did it if anything I'm going to clear his name because I'm going to run a grand opening. I'll tell my friends it is a grand opening to celebrate the departure of Frank Luciano, how is it, do you like it? Frank said that's another thing, how come you did not have a grand opening when we first opened up. I told him that I thought about it and I spoke to some of my friends about it and they advised me that it will be better to wait because we might open with a bang and if it will show up then we will have a grand opening. We did so well why

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did we need a grand opening. I know why I said so that you could steal more money. He got all nervous and he asked me again what are you going to do about my son. OK I said we will go to Jersey and we will tell Al that you want five hundred a year for the license. Oh he said so long forget about it and he was going away. I thought fast and I called him back and I told him, I'll tell you what I will do I'll see how I will make out and if I make out good I will give it to him. He said can I depend on what you say. I said yes. We shook hands and he went away. Now I will explain what I meant by "think fast" -- I said to myself the kid may do something wrong on purpose, with a bar that is the easiest thing to do. I will leave the Lido for a while and I will talk about the jobbing business, it was called the Midtown Vending, Inc., My partners were Tony Bender, Vinnie, Max, I don't remember Vinnie and Max second name but we called him Max Green. We opened the store on Fifty Second Street, Tenth Avenue, I was together with Max Green and Vinnie was with Tony Bender. They had fifty percent and Max and I had fifty percent. The first thing we done was put out some machines on location. Max and I are old hens at this business. Instead of having the machines idle in the store we will have them making money and if someone wanted a certain machine and we did not have the machine and if we had the machine on the route all we had to do was send the mechanic to pick it up and replace it. A store keeper will always welcome a new machine. We were

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collecting enough money on the route to support the office. Now there was talk that Mayor O'Dwyer was going to throw the machines out and everyone was afraid to buy. We spoke to the president of the union and he and some of the union officials went to see the Mayor and the Mayor promised them that he will not touch the machines. That wasn't good enough so Tony Bender had someone talk to the Mayor and he made the same promise. Now we are sure that the machines are going to stay. We started to give machines out on credit and we were doing a tremendous business but no money was coming in only the route was supporting the office. After a few months the operators started to pay their bills so for a while things were picking up and we started to build up our route. We are collecting about a thousand dollars a week and after we pay our help and all other expenses we put the balance in the bank. The prices on the machines were: Roll Downs from 250 dollars to 450 dollars, the Pinballs from 50 dollars to 250 dollars and the jukeboxes new sold for 675 dollars, cost us 575 dollars.

Max goes to Chicago to see if he can tie up some good machines, by that I mean to guy a certain machine that was a good number. If we will tie it up it would mean that no one else will have that machine, then if any other jobber wanted that type of machine he would have to buy it from us. If he tried to get it from Chicago they will refer them to us, but Max came back and all he tied up was a certain jukebox. As soon as the first delivery arrived and I took one look and

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I knew it was a failure. It was a jukebox that came with the motor and music box in two separate units, the motor will be in the back room or in the cellar the coin slotted part would be in front of the store. I knew on sight that the storekeepers will not go for this type of juke box. We distributed about twenty and we stopped. Then we notified the company to stop shipping us any more jukeboxes of that type. The company wrote us and threatened to sue us. Now we were picking on Max as he had sent the company in Chicago a five thousand dollar check. It was Max's own money. We were telling Max why did he tie something up without consulting us and all Max will say that he will go for the money. We did not need to worry about being sued because one day not long after, say about three months, we woke up and we hear that the police in the early morning hours raided all the pinballs along with the Roll Downs. The police even waited for the jobbers to open up and raided them. We were the first ones that got hit hard. They seized about seventy machines on the route and about sixty in the store. We lost all our work and money. We lost about six thousand dollars. It was not much considering. We sold the lease of the store to Jerry Blaine for five thousand dollars. Jerry Blaine a former bandleader went into the record business and I believe that Jerry is still there. Now I'll go back to my Son of Tarra. Mr. Millen entered him in another race at a mile and 116

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and Son of Tarra ran a very bad race. Again I talked to Mr. Millen and asked him to give the horse to the old man. I asked Mr. Millen why don't he run Son of Tarra in a short race. Mr. Millen said that he is afraid because Son of Tarra has a weak left ankle and he is afraid to run him with horses. He begged for one more try. I said OK please Mr. Millen the season will be over and we won't win a race. He runs him once more and again he runs a bad race. Now Mr. Millen tells me Joe do you know why I kept insisting on running Son of Tarra I said no I don't. Well he said do you remember last year at the end of the meet when we beat Halbrarail. I said yes. Well he said it was in the bag for Halbrarail to win because we beat Halbrarail the boys are sore at me and they promise themselves that they ain't going to win a race with Son of Tarra that means that I must give up Son of Tarra for your sake. Come he said let's go and see the old man and I'll turn the horse over to him today. We went to the old man's barn and Mr. Millen told the old man about the jockey being sore at him. The old man told Mr. Millen that he, the old man, knew something that is why I wanted the horse for Joe's sake. Mr. Millen asked me if I cared to go and get Son of Tarra and bring him to the old man's barn. Boy would I go you are not kidding. No Mr. Millen said so I went and got the horse and bring it to the barn where he belongs. As soon as I seen Son of Tarra it seemed to me that he knew that he

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was going back to his old home. After the old man looked him over he told me that he was going to refresh him it will take just about six weeks. I didn't care if it would had taken six months I just was happy. I don't mean that I did not care for Mr. Millen, he himself was happy for me. I had a lot of respect for Mr. Millen but no one could take care of Son of Tarra like the old man could, in fact I gave Mr. Millen some time later on another horse I will talk about it later.

I must tell now what I did when I took over the Lido Restaurant after I got through paying almost everything, even a three hundred dollar water bill. I was forced to run a grand opening but ineased of making it a grand opening I made it the first year anniversary. I made it a three day affair. I gave out free steaks to the boys that came and pay me their respect. I did pretty good and I bought a pretty good stock of all kind of whiskey. I kept the same help but I got rid of one or two as I went along. A waiter was always bothering me for a job and he came from Forham. He bother me so much that I finally gave him a job after about three months. I did not want him as he looked like a sharpshooter but he con me into giving him a job, his name was Willie that is all I can remember. And I hire the best pieman in the whole Bronx. I had to give him more money but he was worth it. I had a day bartender and he took care of the kitchen and the pieman taught him how to make pies. He would take care of the

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customers until the regular pieman came in to work at four o'clock in the afternoon. The boys from Harlem started to come to the Lido Restaurant and some of the detectives also came up and one night a detective was drinking with me and he was telling me how the boys in Harlem talk on the phone. He was talking about my nephew and Joe Pagano. As we were talking my nephew Fiore Siano walks in the restaurant and I tell the detective go ahead talk, let him hear just what you were telling me so the detective repeats the phone calls that some other detective picked up while tapping the phone where Fiore and Joie hung out, it was at a bar at One Hundred and Fourteen Street on Second Avenue. Here is the way the detective described it: Hello who's this, the other end of the wire, who calling. Jim, this is Fiore what do you want, outside, I need 14 suits, inside, what time, outside, eight o'clock, inside, OK. A couple of hours later the same voice: Hello is Fiore there. Hold the wire. Hello who this. Jim. Inside, what do you want, outside, I need 14 shirts. The detective turned to talk to Fiore, what are you kidding what do you guys think the Police Department is stupid we don't get paid for nothing. If you were not Joe's nephew I'll come in the bar and knock your head off just for being that stupid. You guys hurt our ego we feel that you all are making a fool out of us with this Fiore put his head down and ordered some drinks. Then I spoke I

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asked him is it true. He will say I don't know I was drunk. Well I'll tell you if someone called me on the phone and spoke that way I will give him a beating instead of selling him anything, unless you are selling suits and shirts I don't know. Then we will drop the subject and talk about something else.

Now I notice a lot of guys were coming to the Lido Bar. One night I was talking to some kid and as we were talking about old timers that died, he the kid happened to mention someone's name. I asked him how did you know that guy. He sayd why do you think I come to the Lido Bar and I bring all my friends. I said no tell me. He the kid said he was my father. Oh God I said what a small world. His name was Gabby, it was a nickname and that's all I knew him by. Gabby was coming up to the Lido Bar, I'll say three or four times a week. He will first call and say on the phone we are on the way up put on ten steaks. We will have them ready before they come up as John the cook will put them in a big pan and then put them in the oven by the time the kids sat down they will be real hot on the sizzling plate. This went on for about a month and everytime Gabby came up to the Lido Bar he will say I'm going to make you rich. The check that Gabby will have everytime that he and the rest of the crowd will be say like one hundred-forty dollars up to a couple of hundred dollars. I was afraid to ask them what were they doing for them to be able to spend all that money. One day one of the boys from Forman was in the

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Lido and the kids were in the Lido and they were sitting in the middle of the restaurant and there were about fifteen of them, including some girls. Their check was about one hundred and sixty dollars. My friend from Forham looked at me and he laughed and he asked me what do they do for a living. I told my friend I don't know and I don't want to know. He said I don't blame you, how old are they. I said I only know how old Gabby is but I don't know the age of the rest of them. I know Gabby is 24 years old but the others I'm afraid to find out, they spend so much money who cares. You know the way I need the money as that bum Frank left this place in a bad shape. My friend said don't worry you will pull out of the barrel. My friend goes to the bathroom and he comes back and he tells me, hey Joe I just heard Gabby tell the rest of the kids you all got to give me 12 dollars a piece, that means they chip in and that is good because one guy don't get hurt by paying the check all by himself. Gee that is good news I said I won't let on that I know anything or Gabby may feel bad. That night my friend said. Well the party broke up about three o'clock in the morning. About three days later Gabby came up with three girls and two boys and they came about eight o'clock in the evening. I never had such a good time in my life. Only he and I were drinking. He had a hundred dollar bill on the bar and he said he and I were going to drink the whole hundred dollars and then we were going to go to Harlem in the after hour

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joint. I never knew that Gabby would sing so good as he was singing. Some of the girls were dancing on the bar and my waitress was so high that she took her dress off and she was doing the Charleston and the Black Bottom on the bar. We had the door closed and when it came three o'clock in the morning Gabby wanted to leave and go to the after hour joint. I was having so much fun that I hated to leave. I told him we leave at four o'clock, how is it OK? I said. Gabby said anything you say and he started to sing again and my waitress was a pretty good singer herself as she worked as a singer when she was younger. Her name was Sally. Sally you see I did not forget you. When four o'clock came I was so high that I slid right at the end of the bar and I went to sleep. I had drank two bottles of scotch so they drove me home in Yonkers and they went after houring. The same afternoon, I'll say that I went to the Lido about five o'clock and as I walked in the restaurant I saw that Sally the waitress was crying. I asked what's the trouble and she said that one of the girls called up about a half hour ago and said to tell you that Gabby got killed this morning after they took you home and the cops question the girls and the girls want you to say that we closed ten to four this morning because when they told the cops that they were at the Lido Bar in the Bronx on Castle Hill Ave. the cops wanted the girls to say that the Lido closed ten after four but the girls insisted that the

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Lido closed ten to four. OK I told Sally sadly, Gee everytime I get a friend he dies. I was so disgusted and I started to blame myself because I remember that I was supposed to go along with them and I'm sure if I would had gone along with them nothing would had happened. In no time at all the detectives were in the Lido and what do you know it was my friend. The first thing he asked me was Gabby here this morning with two guys and three girls? I said yes. The Lido closed at ten to four? I said yes. Do you know what happened? I said no. Well he said I hate to tell you as the girls told that he was crazy about you. What is it I asked. He said yes Gabby got killed at 112 Street and he said that he is got the case and he told me who done it and the guy will be out on bail because Gabby is in the wrong and if you want me to hang the guy he said he would. So I said how can I tell you to hang the guy. I won't tell you to do anything like that if it was my own brother. Before you tell me the story I want to know what is this all about me or the Lido closing at ten after four or ten before four. Oh he said the girls called you. Joe he said when I heard that they were here in the Lido one of the girls made a slip and said ten after four so I wanted to make sure that it went in the record that the Lido closed ten to four so you knew when I came in here that the kid was dead then. He said that he should had known better. How stupid of me. He said I should figure that someone will call you but I told the girls not to call you. Gee I said I'm

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surprised at you. I'm beginning to think that you are becoming a square this was the same detective that told me about Fiore, I'm trying to remember his name but I just can't. Now I call up Harlem as I want to know where is the wake going to be as everyone in the Lido wanted to go to the wake, I mean the help. The detective called his wife and he was going to eat in the Lido and I took my time as to find out what happened. I wanted to calm down a little more before I'll find out. The detective notice that himself. I heard Gabby was in the wrong. Come on he said sit down and I'll explain everything to you. My wife will be here and you know her so have something with us. No I said I'll sit but I'll only have a cup of coffee, OK sit and I'll start. Gabby was coming up at 111 Street, as you know it is a one way street going west. Yes I said what time was this. He said about a quarter to five. I know they took you home and I know that you were supposed to go down. One of the girls was crying and she was saying if Joe would had come down this would not had happened and I as a detective I know it would not had happened. Now I'll go on - he was going west, a truck was backing out of the parking lot. He stopped and asked me if I knew the lot as it was a new parking lot. I said yes I know the lot and I know who owned the lot. Now you know he said. Oh I see was he involved? He said I did not want to tell you he is the one that is locked up. OK I said go on and he goes on with the story. The truck got into Gabby's way and he had to stop short because

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Salana did not see him and they had a few words. One of the guys got off the truck and hit Gabby on the head with a hammer. They brought Gabby to the hospital on Madison Ave. While the nurse was dressing Gabby's wound he jumped up and ran out of the hospital and he came back into the parking lot. Now when Gabby got into the lot there was no one there so Gabby gets a big crow bar and he starts breaking all the windows on the parked cars. I say he broke about 20 windows on the parked cars. In the meantime Salano and the other guy came back as they had went to have a cup of coffee. When Gabby saw them he was running towards them with the crow bar in his hands and as these guys have a permit for a gun they had no choice but to pull the gun out when Gabby saw the gun he turned around and ran. Salano fired one shot to scare Gabby. Joe he could not do the same thing in a thousand tries, he hits Gabby right in the heart. The doctor at the hospital told me this afternoon that the bullet went right in the middle of the heart. That the way it is when one is going to die it takes one shot. Look at me I said we won't be able to count how many I got fired at. His wife came in and they had a good meal and they spent most of the night in the Lido when I'm in the mood I will describe the Lido as it was a cozy little place. I get the blues only thinking about the Lido Restaurant. I went to the wake and I made my own investigation and I find just

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as the detective told me. While I was at the wake Patty Erra wasn't the phony big shot that he is today in Florida. He called me on the side and he tells me that he is interested in Gabby, if I find anything to prove that he did not do the things they say he did, he will support me in any action I may take. I told Patty that I asked the kids that were with Gabby and they all supported what the detective told me. Gabby was too drunk that night. I should had taken him home then go home myself but I couldn't keep my eyes opened. I'm just trying to fight with myself. Gee its too bad that you did not come down with him. Let me explain what Patty and I are trying to find out. We would had the right to bring Salano on the carpet in our own court as I said and I'll say it a million times over and over that the mob of ours is a second government. I just had another chance to tell you and I did now.

Now I will go back to Son of Tarra. The old man has him ready and he wants to give him a race. This is almost the end of the season. We have about three or four times to run Son of Tarra. I tell the old man see fooling around all summer it is going by and Son of Tarra has not won a race yet. Yes Joe he said it was not your fault that we got into an argument and you have to be the sufferer. That's right I said well let me win one race this year and I will be happy and we will make up for it next year. Oh don't worry about next year I'll have him in my hands. Gee I just remember something I tell the old man you did not have anything to do with him when he ran one race at Hot Springs.

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He said I did not want to tell you or ask you anything, Mr. Millen told me that you bet heavy on Son of Tarra in that race. Yes I did but I saved myself because I bet win and show and Son of Tarra ran third and paid 580 for third so I made a few dollars. What happened in that race, Son of Tarra was up there second then he lost ground. Gee that ain't the way he runs. I heard that race I was connect in Jersey. I was almost sure that he will win it when I heard that he was running second. The old man did not want to say much he likes Mr. Millen too but he was never in the barns especially in Hot Springs he was fooling around with a girl and they both were drunk all the time. Other trainers had told me. Son of Tarra gets his first race and he showed that he was ready to win so he put him in again about ten days later and I bet pretty good and to make it short Son of Tarra broke down and when I heard about it I almost got a heart attack. I forgot all about the money. The old man told me not to worry because I'll have him in good shape and then I will go to Florida with him and I will win that race you want before next year and he told me that he ain't going to charge me any money until Son of Tarra wins a race. How is that he said. For the reader who don't know anything about horses, it cost from 12 to 14 dollars a day for the trainer and feeding, plus it cost more if the horse gets sick or any other trouble that children may get, because horses are like children, especially

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thoroughbreds.

I'll go back to the Lido Restaurant as there was a lot of doings at the Lido never a dull moment. My friend Vinnie will always stop at the Lido and he always had a doll with him. He tells me to go down to the Gold Key Club. The Gold Key Club is a high class nightspot. It really was an after hour spot and I must say every time I went down there I had a wonderful time but I did not find much pleasure going down there because I had to park a mile away and then take a cab, most of the time I will forget and I will drive straight to 56 Street between Fifth and Sixth Ave. There was no telling the fine show people that used to go to the Gold Key Club. The worst part of it one never knew if it was day or night as the curtains were from the floor to the ceiling and the room was so cozy that one will hate to leave. I can't say much about it as I only went down on appointment because someone was always there to take our license plate number. That's why I used to park a mile away and then take a cab. It belong to Tony Bender and Vinnie and that's why I used to go down there. So I'll forget about the Gold Key Club for a while as I say I can't say much about it only that they ran a respectable club. They were out for business and it was during the business I'll talk about the club a little more later on.

One morning I received a phone call from the old man and he tells me about a horse called Our Bully. He tells me the name of the horse. He just said his

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friends horse in the sixth race as I knew who his friend was - it was Mark Steward's horse. I hang up and the operator calls me and said please give me the name of the horse. I laugh so much that it took a few minutes before I was able to talk to her. I asked her if she had been betting my horses all summer and she said that she had. The old man had told me that the race was one of those things. His idea was for me to cash a bet so that I won't feel too bad about Son of Tarra breaking down and I losing a good bet. One of those things means that the jockeys themselves are betting on the horse, that's why it pays to have a live jockey in your corner. He, the jockey, will tell you don't bet on your horse. He will speak this kind of language - he will say your horse can't beat so and so. If you go against his wishes one will be marked and they will never let you win a race no matter what jockey you will use because one jockey will tell another don't win with that horse or you will show me up. Remember how I used the same boy that pulled Knights Duchess. The trainer wanted to use another jockey and I told him what do you want to give everyone a chance to pull her. He said you the boss. I won't use him and when the Duchess won he gave me credit for knowing my business. Every trainer don't get the same respect as the old man. No one will hurt the old man because he went along with whatever they say and they don't do it too often - only when they want to win a bet and they elect a horse that figures to win, not any horse because they

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want it to look good. No one has anything to do with whatever the jockeys do they do it by themselves. The only way to get along is to do what they tell you to do.

I'll tell you about a race Son of Tarra was supposed to win and they said no and we had to watch and see Son of Tarra get beat and we knew he was the best horse in the race. The boy told the old man that we should bet on a number three horse and I bet both number three and Son of Tarra. Number three won and Son of Tarra came second. If number three was not good enough then Son of Tarra would had won that's why I bet both of them. I told you about this race but this happened in 1947 I told you now because I was on the subject, I am still in 1946.

Now I will go back to the operator. I asked her how did she do betting my horses. Gee she said at least I win. I never win when my brother tells me to bet. Then I told her did you hear what the trainer said. She said that she had heard and I asked her did you know what he meant and she said no so I tell her how much do you usually bet and she said ten dollars. Well I said I won't give you the horse unless you promise to bet your whole pay. Gee she said I can't do it. Lady I said one of those things means it is a fixed race or she said I had to tell her, that was the only way to encourage her. OK I promise she said. Do you know what I'll

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do, are you going to be home. I said yes I'm going out and make my bet and then I will be back. She said hold the line open and she will call me. I know I said I was going to ask you I know the operators can get the description of a race. She said no they can't. I'm the Chief Operator that's why I'm able to get a description. The post time was about four thirty and I had the phone opened since four o'clock. Anyone that called I will let the wife answer and tell them that I ain't home but ten minutes earlier I got near the phone and I waited for the operator to call me. She called me right on time. She said her heart is up into her mouth. I asked her how much she had bet and she told me one hundred dollars. I told her that I bet six hundred dollars and my hears is up to my mouth to. She said hold on they at the post. She asked me if I care to listen in direct with the track. I said no you give it to me. She said there they go at the quarter Our Bully six lengths and we are waiting for the half mile call. She said at the half Our Bully six lengths at the three quarter call she said Our Bully six lengths. Now we are waiting for the home stretch call and she gives me three different horses and I stood there speechless and then I asked her were you giving me the right calls and then she screamed and said Our Bully wins it. I asked her again if she was kidding me and she said I won't do a thing like that. Then I tell her what could had happened maybe that he was going so fast that he might had run along the outside rail and if he did that he will lose plenty of ground. I told her tonight we would find out when the telegraph comes out as

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that is the racing form paper but the next morning I called the trainer and he tells me that Our Bully done just what I suspected. The next morning the operator, her name was Ann, calls me and asked me if I wanted to listen to the first two races in New England. I told her that I would like to hear them and then she told me that she bought the telegraph and Our Bully done just what I suspected. I told her yes I know that I called the trainer and then she asked me if I want to make free calls whenever I call the trainer. Gee that will be fine. My phone bill comes to about 80 or 90 dollars a month. The season will be over soon but I will appreciate it next year. She said that she will be around. At two o'clock she called me again and she told me to hold on and as I did not have any bet on any horse in the race I was doing a little thinking as she was giving me the description of the race. After the race was over I asked her if she can do it every day, she said that she could. The idea that I got was to beat some bookmaker, it was one of the bookmaker that I was giving my bets. When the operator called me for the second race I told her about my idea and she said that it sounded as soon as this race is over call up my bookmaker I want to give him a bet. As soon as the race was over she had my bookmaker on the phone. I gave him a bet on a horse that had already lost. I wanted to see what will he do. He took the bet and he did not say anything, it was a hundred dollar bet. The next morning Ann called again. This time I gave the bookmaker a hundred dollar bet on one horse and a hundred bet on another horse in the second race and I made a hundred dollar Daily Double and he did not say anything. Now I'm stuck four hundred dollars, if the horse lost in the second race I was hoping that he will lose. I tell the operator did you hear everything. She said yes. The next day I done the same thing. Now if the horse loses in the second race as the one the day before lost I will be stuck seven hundred dollars - the horse in the second race lost. Now I call the old man as I got about ten days before the meet will be over. I asked the old man that in the future if

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he gets or he must try and get a good thing in the second race. It must be a second race at anytime, meaning any day. I told the old man what I was doing and I told him that I will take care of him and I told the operator that I will take care of her. I bet the guy again the next day but I did not give the bookmaker a three hundred dollar bet, I figure that I will wait for the old man about four or five days if he don't come through I would have to bet a signal horse but it will have to be a long shot or I'm stuck. I must catch a Daily Double to win some decent money. I put my friend Vinnie in on it because he gave me a piece of a horse room around the same neighborhood where I was betting. Vinnie thought that I was crazy but he went along with me. The old man called me bright and early one morning and he gave me a horse in the second race. He was listed at ten to one but the old man told me that he will pay only about two to one and he gave me another horse in the sixth race. Well I was waiting for Ann to call me and as soon as she called me I told her that I had a horse in the second race and to be careful and don't make any mistake when she called me at post time and I had the winner of the first race and he was a six to one shot. I called the bookmaker and I gave him the first and second race. I wanted to give him a two hundred dollar Daily Double he said no, make it one hundred. I said OK give me two hundred to win in the second race. I did not

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say anything about the horse in the sixth race because I wanted to see what the horse does in the second race. I sat and waited for the second race by the way the first horse paid about eighteen dollars - it mean that I got eighteen hundred coming. Now if the second horse wins I got him stuck good for the benefit of those who don't understand what a Daily Double is, if the horse don't win I lose the first winner and I will lose only the hundred dollars that I put on the Daily Double but I have also two hundred to win on the horse in the second race. Now if the horse in the second race should lose here is the way I stand right now I will be winning 13 hundred dollars because the first horse paid $18, deduct the five hundred dollars that I put in, here is about what I got going on the second horse, two hundred I put on the nose and half of the eighteen hundred that the first horse paid so the second horse wins and he paid six dollars just what the old man said he would. The Daily Double paid about sixty dollars, boy I'm plenty ahead now. I go into the bookmaker and I give him four hundred to win on Judge O. The only reason I remember Judge O is because it belonged to a friend of mine, it was Jim Arthur horse. Judge O wins and he pays eight dollars. Now taking out all the money I lost and taking care of the old man and the operator we won clear on the whole deal six thousand dollars. When Vinnie went and collect as I did not have the nerve to

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go I was ashamed the bookmaker told Vinnie to tell that guy to forget the number. The operator thought that she was watching a movies as she witness all this. She could not get over it. I told her you see how hard it is to win money on the horses. You not kidding she said. Now who comes and see me a friend I did not see for about six months and he tells me that he can't win a race. I asked him what was on his mind. He said that he is got three horses left in the barn and the other day he lost a horse that was worth five thousand. He said that he bet five hundred dollars for the jockey. Not only did he lose the bet he also lost the horse. I asked him who was the boy and he said Mike Basel. Gee I said he works for Bernstein. Furdie said Bernstein that is the guy that took my horse. Boy I told him I tried to tell you about New England if you are not in right you are dead. Yes he said he is convinced well what can I do for you I asked him. He said that he will like to use one of the old man's jockeys if I can get him. I can do it I told him but I must run the affair for you, all you want is to win a bet. Yes he said in order to win a bet I'm going to sell two of the horses for seven thousand dollars. OK I said when do you want to leave we haven't got much time you know. I know he said we have about five days so we leave tonight I said. The next morning at about six o'clock in the morning we were at the old man's I asked the old man if I could use one of the boys. He said sure and he called T. Turnbull. I spoke to Turnbull

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and I told him to come along with me and I went to Furdie's barn. I asked where is the horse. He pointed to the stall and I told Furdie to have someone to saddle the horse. He did and I told the jockey to take him out for a mile and if Furdie waves you down just keep going because Furdie had told me that he did not want pistol Pete to go a mile. When Turnbull came around the 3/4 pole Furdie waved him down but the Jock kept on going. When he the Jock returned he called me on the side and he told me that if I wanted a cinch race I said yes. Then put him in for twenty-five hundred claiming so I go back and I asked Furdie if he wanted a cinch race he said yes then put him in for twenty-five hundred. He showed me the book and there was a race that fit Pistol Pete for one mile and a sixteenth, twenty-five hundred claiming. I did not want to stay so I asked Furdie not to spoil the Jock give him a two hundred dollar bet and collect your money tomorrow because your horse will win and I went home as I had things to do. I bet five hundred dollars on Pistol Pete and Pistol Pete won all by himself and paid six dollars. Furdie bet ten thousand dollars when the race was over Furdie was out of business because Pistol Pete was claimed and he, Furdie, had sold the other two horses s0 it was all over when he came to New York. He had a smile on his face. He said he had to come to me to win a race.

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But I will talk about Fiore my nephew. He gave me a lot of trouble he comes with Joe Pagano and he tells me that they can get a truck load of something. I don't know what it was I tell him that I don"t want any part of it he comes back again and he tells me that they got the truck and they got one hundred thousand dollars worth of some kind of piece goods but it is all govermment material. I tell him to take my advice and don't bother with it. He did listen to me this time but he made a mistake by introducing the guy irom Jersey to me as he happened to be a mob guy and Fiore was not at this time. Well Fiore did tell the fellow in Jersey to keep the truck as he and Joe Pagano don't want to know anything if he should get arrested. The guy kept the goods for about a month and when he tried to sell part of the load he got arrested. After he came out on bail he was going to everyone that knew me and he wanted to make a meet with me but I refused because why should I meet him when I aint got anything to do with it and another thing I figured if I meet him he might be getting a tail and the first thing that will happen I will be red hot and for what reason so he was insulted because I will not meet him as he was with Albert Anastasia. He went and cry to him so Albert sent one of his boys to come and talk to me to find out what it is all about. So when I explained every-

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thing to this fellow, He could not believe it. This fellow gave me a lot of credit for not wanting to make a meet. No one could believe that the guy could be so stupid. Just when I was forgetting all about it the guy came back to me. He said that I should listen very carefully. Albert sent me to ask a favor of me. Put in a thousand dollars because this guy has the case in the bag and if we don't help him he will go to jail and we don't want anyone to go to jail just for the sake of a few dollars. Well when one gets put in a spot like this there is no choice than to put my hand in my pocket and give the guy the money. Albert put me in such a spot I could not refuse when I called the kids and I told them that I laid out a thousand dollars they looked at one another. They said that they ain't got a penny. I thank them and I walked away. Let me go back to the Lido and Son of Tarra as I want to go into 1947 and that's all I was doing taking care of the Bar and waiting patiently for the trainer to come back from Florida. He did come back and I went and see him in New England. The trainer sat me down and told me that he has got a good idea. If I will go along with him he said that he wants to put Son of Tarra in a five thousand dollar claiming race as you did not win a race last year. Now go and speak to some of your friends around the track and spread the rumor that Son of Tarra is a cripple and you are going to put him in a five thousand dollar race and you hope that someone claims him. This way the word gets around and no one will touch him and here

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is the reason why one must understand horses are put into races on condition as to what they done in their last three races for a horse like Son of Tarra it is worth the gamble if no one claim him. We will win four races in a row there is the way it is done. He will win this race and then we will put him in a race that reads like this allowance, for horses who have not won a race for five thousand dollars or less, in other words he will be running with horses that are worth five thousand dollars. This will be two races that he will in, say he won the first one and the second one now he will run in the same kind of race only this time it will read like this - for horses who have won two races for five thousand or less. Now it is three races he won't be able to run in that kind of a race any more after he won three of them. Then we will put him in a plain allowance race and he will win that one and here is your four races in a row. Now after we collect four purses we will run him for purses only. If a horse runs in an allowance race no one can take the horse away from you that's the idea of the whole thing and he will be running with horses that he can beat easy. We put him in for five thousand dollars and the rumor that we spread worked fine. Tony Bender bet five thousand dollars. Vinnie and I bet a couple of thousand dollars and we went to Boston to see the race. The old man used Jockey Sistio. He had rode Son of Tarra before and the old man wanted to give him a chance to

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have the honor to have a win. We figured that he would be two to one but to our amazement he was on the board three to one and he remained at that odds until the race was run. Son of Tarra took the lead and he was in front about ten lengths and he was going smoothly as they turn for the stretch run Son of Tarra was still in front by ten lengths and the jock was looking behind and all of a sudden the jockey used the whip. Now all the jockeys that rode Son of Tarra were always warned never to use the whip on him if they did Son of Tarra will wheel and when the jockey used the whip and they were about a hundred feet from the wire Son of Tarra wheeled and the jockey was thrown about twenty feet into the air. He was lucky that he landed in the outfield or he would had been killed. Son of Tarra himself made a couple of somersaults and we were worried if he was hurt as he, Son of Tarra, started to run all by himself and as he was running the old man had the glasses on him and he could see that he was running sound. Now I did not believe my eyes and I asked the old man if Sistio used the whip the old man said no but later on the old man admitted that the boy used the whip. He said that he did not want to tell me for fear that I will go after the jockey and hurt him. All the jockeys that rode Son of Tarra were always warned not to whip the horse. In fact I was talking to Jockey Sisto the year before and he the jockey himself was telling me that Son of Tarra is no horse to

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whip there is no telling what he may do if anyone whip him. The truth was that Sisto bet a thousand dollars on the horse that was running second that's why he, the jock, was looking back when he saw the horse that he bet on running behind him. He knew that there was nothing that he can do to lose the race so he also knew that if he whip the horse it will be dangerous so he was good and prepared before he whip the horse he certainly earned that bet because he took the chance of his life but I can tell you now that I never saw Sisto again he certainly made his business to duck me and he never rode again at that meet. I'm pretty sure it was at Narragansett Race Track in Rhode Island. I did not mind the bet but he almost killed the horse how the horse did not get hurt no one will ever guess. On top of it all a trainer or owner I don't remember comes over to me a and he told me that I cost him the race. I asked how, he told me that my horse fell in front of his horse. I got so mad that I told him that I will have a match race with his horse and the winner will take both of the horses. He walked away from me. I called him back and I asked him if he bet on his horse he said that he bet heavy. I told him that I did not mean to be fresh I'm only mad because you saw what happened and if he really though that his horse could had beaten my horse if he did not fall I reminede him that my horse was ten length in front of his horse. He told me that his name was Mr. Snyner and he knew that it was impossible for any horse to catch Son of Tarra with such a lead and so near the

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wire so I tell him keep your eyes on Son of Tarra from now on and in a month or two I'll see you and it will speak for itself and you will never see my horse in a five thousand dollar claiming any more. Well I became friends with Mr. Snyner and everytime I went to New England he will look me up. I must tell the truth I had my doubt whether the trainer was in on it but as I went along he showed me how he never got over that race. He said to me one time that he claimed a horse and the horse died in the race and not along that he lost the five thousand dollars but he had to pay to have the horse removed off the track but he said that he was in business for fifty years and a lot of things happened in fifty years but you have one horse and you are going through a lot. It was not what happened he said we got to worry to see how this will affect Son of Tarra. He is a funny horse and does not forget so easy. He said he will put him in for sixty-five hundred next week and I don't want you to bet much until I see how he will react in a race. Don't bet across the board on him because he will either win or don't come in the money at all. Gee I said I got those worries now, this horse racing is heart breaking, no wonder all the trainers and owners die with heart trouble. The old man put the horse in the following week for sixty-five hundred dollars. We could not afford to wait for the condition allowance race I told you about. All plans were upset and now we must run the horse in a few claiming races and let him go out and win. We knew he will win no matter where

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we put him if he will get over what happened to him. Well the race comes up and the darling that he was he won it like a champ and he paid $1180 to win 6 dollars for place 6 dollars for show. A horse player can see that we were not the only ones that bet on Son of Tarra only to win by the price that he paid for place and show he paid the same price for show as he paid for place. I bet two hundred and fifty dollars on Son of Tarra enough to get even but one must remember that had he won that race the first time how much I will be ahead instead of just getting even one can never overcome that kind of a lost. By the way the next time I saw Mr. Snyner he was hiding his face with his hands and he was telling me what a chance we took putting Son of Tarra in for a five thousand dollar claiming. I told him that he did not see anything yet. He is going to win about four in a row I told him. Thanks he said he will bet on him the next three times that he will run. Well I told him you will do yourself some good stop trying to figure him out. We shook hands and he wish me luck. Horse people are like show people they are a pleasure to meet - all sports men or women are a pleasure to meet. The following week he put Son of Tarra in again. This time he put him in for seventy-five hundred dollars. I went up in New England to watch him run. Now I had the nerve to watch him. I wanted to hang out with Son of Tarra in fact I was preparing to stay with the horses I just could not stand the mob

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guys any more, they were starting to make me sick only looking at them. This race that I saw him run he ran like a champ. He was four to one and I don't remember what I bet on him. The race was off and here is the way he ran the race. Son of Tarra got in front and I must say that almost every horse in the race took a shot at him he shook off every horse that goes up to him. One must know that he has got a good horse on his hands he made me so proud of him that I will give money almost to everyone who will come up to me. There are a lot of brokers that hang out on race tracks. Every ten dollar bill that they get into their hands they bet it on horses - their hope in life is that one day they are going to get rich by catching a hundred winner that is how they dream. Son of Tarra paid eight dollars and sixty cents to win, I don't remember what he paid for place or show. Here is what the old man did while they were running the last race. Son of Tarra won he was planning as to what he had to do the following week and to get a good price. After the race I met the old man in the trailer and he told me that he clocked Son of Tarra as they broke from the gate and he wanted to see how fast he will go from the gate to the three quarter pole. He showed me the good time that he ran it was 111 4/5, that is good time for a New England track. He said next week we will put Son of Tarra in a three quarter of a mile race and we will get twenty to one. Gee I went home happy. I went

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like a fool and told Vinnie. I told Vinnie that we will bet two thousand dollars on Son of Tarra next week and we will bet the money from the horse room and we will give the kid that is partner with us a chance to make some real money. Now that Son of Tarra had won a couple of races Vinnie got the courage and said yes. I told Vinnie not to tell anyone we will pull a killing and no one will know now for that weekend I had an invitation for a wedding at the Essex House in Newark, New Jersey. Willie Moore Morelli's daughter was getting married and I was on the same table that Little Augie Piarano was as he was a good friend of Tony Bender. It was not the first time that I met Little Augie at a wedding and at the same table he would always be wherever Tony Bender will be and Vinnie and I will always be where Tony Bender will be so we were all at the same table and I happened to be sitting on the right of Little Augie. He looked at me and he said Hey Joe you must have a good trainer. I can see from the way he is handling your horse your horse is like a horse that I used to have. I used to put him in a cheap race and he would get beat then I move him up in company and he will win. Your horse does the same thing. You had him in a five thousand dollar race and he got beat, now you move him up a couple of times and he wins. Well Augie I said you know how a guy feels when someone talks like you just did for what you just said I'm going to give you a tip next week you bet on

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Lido because he had to go somewhere around the neighborhood of the Lido so I want to tell you to forget all about who gave the information to the Senator because I'm telling you its got to be that guy because you did not tell me where you went. You told me that you were going to the Del Rip up in Yonkers, not at Amando's Restaurant. Yes Charlie you are right. I did not tell you that they called you a rat in fact I did not tell you anything at all. OK Charlie I said let's break it up and we did.

Someone called me at the Lido Restaurant and told me that Joe Stutz hit my nephew Fiore Siano at least he was my nephew at the time but I don't want to know him as a nephew anymore. Of course, it had to be one of his friends that called me. I had always instructed Fiore, Joe Pagano and Pat Pagano that if ever Trigger Mike Cappola boys ever take a punch at anyone of them as they Mike's boys had a habit of turning to go and get a gun and shoot him. The caller had told me on the phone where it had happened it was in the old Aida Restaurant. It had a new name and it was owned by one of the boys. All I remember is that I used to call the bar and restaurant Joe Lanaza Place. I get in the car and I drive to 114 Street and Second Ave., that was where Joe Lanaza place was. I wik in the bar and I find Fiore, Joie and Pat and of course Joe Lanza. I asked them what happened and they asked me how did I find out. I told them that one of your friends called me

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at the Lido. Pat does most of the talking and he tells me that they, Pat, Joe and Fiore had an argument with a couple of the boys at 117 Street and First and Pleasant Ave., and after the argument they, Pat, Joe and Fiore, left 117 Street and they went to Joe Lanza's Place. After they were in Joe Lanza place a little while Joe Stutz walked in Joe Lanza's Place and he took a punch at Fiore because of the argument they had at 114 Street and First and Pleasant Ave. I asked them what did they do about it so Joe Lanza called me on the side and he told me that he caught Pat's arm in time. Pat had gone out and got a gun and he was about to shoot Joe Stutz right in the head. Joe Stutz was so drunk that he did not notice it. I asked if they knew where Joe Stutz was at this time. Joe Lanza spoke and he said that everything was alright and that he, Joe Lanz had straightened it out. I said everything is not straighten out good for you. Pat yell at me come on I know where he is and the four of us left Joe Lanza Bar and we went to Lizzy Bar at 116 Street and Second Ave. Joe Stutz was there and the first thing he said as we walk in the bar, Gee Joe I'm sorry I did not know that he is your nephew.

Yes, I said, all of you guys are got the same habit when you are in the wrong, you know how to cop out but if it was you in my place you won't hesitate to run and report it. Well anyway one day you would find out how lucky you were

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on Crescent Ave. and I saw Frank Scalice. As I walked in his brother's candy store Frank greeted me and he had a big smile on his face. He put his arms around me and he orders black coffee for us and he said I can't understand why you are having so mucy trouble with my boys. I'm going to have a talk with them. I said, Frank I'm going to tell you the truth, you are doing all this because you put these bums in the outfit and they all are getting power crazy but I ain't going to take any nonsence from them. I don't care at what cost. I understand, Frank Scalice said, the boys bring me their names and they tell me that they are good fellows and I put them on the list. It's a good thing I did not put in the other list that I have, I'm going to stop. They are giving me too much trouble and we started to talk old times and he goes on to tell me that why don't I pay attention down town as they are the ones who rule. I told him, Frank I try so hard but they, the people down town, won't give me a chance. They want one to bring every cent he earns. They have no heart, how can anyone put up with it. I can't understand, I tell Frank, I don't think that you are going to have any peace. I told him that he is a smart man and you know things are going to the dogs. I was hearing talk around here and there and Frank was getting the rap of buying members into Cosa Nostra but I did not mention it to him but I was talking all around it and he seemed to understand.

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He went on to tell me that he thought that he was going to Italy and he thinks that he is going to stay there in Italy because Frank and Charlie Lucky were good friends from the old days. He was talking very sad. He himself knew that things did not look any too good. Well, we had a few drinks as the candy store sold whiskey and I told him, Frank you ought to come to the Lido every now and then so that your boys will see that you are interested in me and they won't try and get smart. They are new and as I told you they think there is only one tough guy around and when they pick on a guy that knows a little more than them they wind up by making you look bad. You not kidding, he said, I'm going to talk to all of them he said. With that as I was going away Tony Anastasia walks in the candy store and as I never had met Tony before Frank introduce me to Tony and we went on the corner in a restaurant and we had something and we spoke for about a half hour but nothing of any importance. Tony did most of the talking and he was talking about the docks and how he gives everyone a fair deal, all that sort of stuff. I shook hands with him and I wish him luck with the union and I left. That was the end of me having anymore trouble with any of his men.

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feel good, eh, Vito when you need any money all you need to do is ask Frank because you don't want to spend any of yours no matter how much you have.

Later I'll tell you how Vito was blowing his top because no one wanted to listen to him when he started to talk about killing Frank Costello. Oh Vito how I know you but I never thought that you were so conceited no never. That is the story of Willie Moore Moretti. Vito had it done as a mercy killing. He knew it won't had been hard to pass it through the council because Willie wasn't the best liked guy in the world and he Vito worked under the table to have the council vote in his favor as far as Solly Moore was concerned. So Solly Moore died in jail, because he became sick. I hope the readers would understand me as to what I am telling them. Later I'll tell how Vito worked on Frank Costello and Albert Anastasia.

Around the end of 1952 Tony Bender sent for me. Of course by this time you all know that Tony Bender was a Lt. I went to the Thomson Street and I was told that Tony was in Rocco's Restaurant, an Italian Restaurant. I walked in Rocco's and Tony was eating and he asked me to sit down and have something to eat. I don't remember if I had something to eat or not. He was very calm and I don't recall if anyone else was sitting with Tony. After I was in the restaurant about ten minutes Tony said to me that Gene Giannini is an informer

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for the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. That he, Tony, got the information from Eddie that the information that Eddie gave him was kind of a surprise to him he could not figure out why he Tony was not informed by his own people but then Tony said well its not our affair. He said that Charlie Lucky Luciano had sent word that Gene had been an informer for the past 17 years and Tony told me that Charlie Lucky said that Gene is the smartest stool pigeon that ever lived kill him and whoever comes and fronts for him. Gene had just gotten back from Italy and of course Gene tried to get close to Charlie Lucky but as I understand Charlie Lucky had very good connection in Italy with the law and he Charlie Lucky was tipped off but Charlie was very nice to Gene as he did not want Gene to get wise that he Charlie knew something and I also was told that when Gene arrived here from Italy that Gene was greeted at the airport by the agents and that Gene told the agents that they the agents made a big mistake by them the agents allowing Gene to try and get close to Charlie Lucky. Gene felt in his heart that Charlie was wise to him. Tony asked me if Gene owned me any money. I said a couple of thousand of dollars and Tony warned me to be careful that I should not try and save the money if I were you Tony said to me that I would forget about the money. He Tony asked me how does Gene owe you the money.

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do business direct with Gene I am really not sure how it went. Well I'm going to forget all about the money. That's it Tony said. I did not see Gene at all, in fact I made it my business not to see him. About two months later Tony called me or sent word to me that he, Tony, wanted to see me at the Gold Key Club, Tony owned the Gold Key Club. Tony said to me that those guys that are with Gene claim that they can't find Gene. Gee Tony said I hope you did not make any mistake by tipping off Gene just so that you can save your money. Well I said to myself, already they are making some excuse to blame me if something goes wrong. Gee I said to myself they never let up on me. I looked at Tony for a while and then I said, well if they can't find him I'll find him. Tony said that he would have to see the old man so I said should I come down tomorrow night or should I wait a few dais. He said call me tomorrow night late at the Gold Key Club. So the following night I called Tony and he told me to go ahead as he saw the old man and that the old man liked the idea because especially that Charlie had sent word. Then Tony told me that if I cared I could stop at the Club that he would be in the Club until five o'clock in the morning. I did stop there in the late hours of the morning and I parked about four or five blocks away from the club as we knew that the law was taking every ones number of their cars that stopped at the Gold Key Club regardless what car stopped at the Club. When I entered the Club, Tony waved me on a side table and asked

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me who I was going to use on the Gene's affair. I told him that I did not make up my mind yet. I told him that I was not sure. Gee, he said, you mean to tell me that you did not make up your mind yet. Gee, Tony, I told him, you only told me tonight or rather this morning to go ahead. I did not even see anyone yet, the reason why I did not want to tell Tony who I had in mind was that I wanted him to think that I had so many guys that I could not make up my mind as I said before they were always worrying about me and they always wanted to know who I had with me. This way they can steal them on me the way they always did. I figured that I make Tony to a little thinking but after I use the boys I must tell him who I used because they, the boys, that I would use would be proposed to become a member later on when the books will be opened. The next day I sent Joey down to Tony Bender to get some guns. Tony had someone give Joey the guns and Joy brought the guns up in Harlem and he kept them in Harlem until they needed them. I don't know where he kept them because I did not ask him. Now the first thing that I did was tell Joey to meet me in the Bronx in the Lido Restaurant. Then we left the Lido Restaurant and I went to a corner bar on Westchester Ave. and from the bar I called Gene and I told Gene to meet me on Westchester Ave. as he knew the place and I did not mention my name on the phone. Gene knew my voice by just hearing me talking on the phone. He ...

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in his pocket and he showed me that he had only twenty dollars so I hand him two more twenty dollar bills and I told him that he had enough to take her out. I remember her name and I don't think it is proper to mention her name as it is so long ago and she may be married and why should I start trouble. Well Gene got close to her and that gave Joey and I a chance to leave so we left and as we walked to our car we saw the other car parked at least a block away but we did not look at them until we got into my car and I pulled away like a demon and I made sure that they did not follow us. After we felt that we were not being tailed Joey was saying that he could not get over the experience that he went through tonight - he was referring to the remark that Gene made about how he felt. Joey was saying that Gene knows that he done wrong by going over to Charlie Lucky house in Italy. I said yes, Joe, he certainly did do wrong. He must had gone out of his mind not knowing that the agents Gorge White and Siragusa forced Gene to try and get something on Charlie Lucky. In fact when Gene came back from Italy I met him I don't remember where and I remember him, Gene, telling me that he met Charlie Lucky in Italy so I asked him if he knew Charlie Lucky when Charlie was here in the States and Gene said that he did not know Charlie when Charlie was here in the States. Then I said to him and how did you get the nerve to go to his house. He said he went with someone that knew Charlie

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and then we dropped the subject and I went on my way. Now a week or so passed and one of the kids comes over to the bar and he tells me that Gene is working in the game in Harlem. I asked him if he was sure, he said that he was. So the next night I take a ride down at the Gold Key Club and I do the same thing, I park about a block away and Tony is not there but they tell me that Tony would be in the club any minute so I sit at the table and I wait for him.

Everyone was busy sitting here and there. I ordered something to eat and Tony walked in the Club in about an hour and he sits on my table and I tell Tony what happened when I called Gene and I tell him that Gene is working at the crap game, he is working at the drop - the drop means that when players come they would go to the drop first and when there is say about eight or ten players someone from the drop will walk them over to the crap game. When Tony hears the story he says this guy is dangerous you know what you do Tony telle me call me tomorrow at the Club and I would see the old man and I'll see what he says and I would let you know if the old man says that it is OK to get him at the drop of the crap game. I will just say OK, if not then. I would ask you to come down-by the old man Tony meant Vito Genovese. The next night I call Tony and he told me OK so I hung up. The next day I got in touch with the kids and I told Pat Pagano to make a get away from 112 Street a building that ...

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a building from 111 Street and they should have their car parked at the 111 Street Building. Now I come with you I want to make sure that everything is OK. I met the boys the following night and Gene was sitting in front of the drop entrance and as we rode around the block I asked Pat is he went through the building in the afternoon. He said, gee he forgot but we will be alright I know the building.

I said no good drive me to my car and I called the whole thing off. The next night I came down and Pat tells me that he went through the building and that everything is all set. Fine I hang around in a bar but before I did I made one of the guys follow me in the Bronx and I parked my car at Castle Hill Ave. I came down again and when it was two o'clock in the morning I got tired as Gene did not show up so I asked one or two of the guys to drive me up to the Lido and they drove back to Joe Lanza Bar at 114 Street and Second Ave. In about an hour or more I don't remember Fiore Siano calls me and tells me that he just got there by he Fiore meant Gene as we did not want to mention his name on the phone. I tell Fiore to go ahead and see him he knew what I meant. About a half hour later or more I really did not check, Fiore calls me and he tells me that they saw him and that they are going away for a couple of days so I get in my car and I drove to Harlem to see whatever I could see. When I passed 112 Street on Second Ave. where the drop was I see that there wasn't a soul around. Of ...

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people that I have the highest respect for. Well I said to myself if I get a chance I would tell Tommy and I don't care what the boys think from the way I understand it after a while that Paulie Ham had gave Gene a job in the crap game and they themselves were going to take care of Gene. The story that they gave me was all baloney by they I mean Tony Bender and from the way Vito expressed himself that he wanted the first punch that it was his idea for Tony to tell me that they, the other mob, could not find Gene. Vito knew my reaction if Tony tells me that they are afraid that I might tip Gene off because of the couple of thousand dollars that Gene owed me. Vito knows that I understand anyone getting a rap tipping anyone off in a case like Gene's case that I am in danger of my own life that is why I said if they can't find him I'll find him. I would had never taken the contract if I did not think that Vito was trying to put me in a jam. I did not know what to think believe me I was not so happy about the whole thing. First of all, all the other boys were mad at me but I can't understand why they get mad at me whenthey are in a position to know that if I take a contract that it must had been given to me by my bosses. I know why they were mad at me because I am the weak they can't say anything to Vito but take it out of me that's why I was so disgusted with down town. They always have a motive whenever they asked me to do something. Always give me the

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dirty work so that I won't have any friends anywhere. That is the way Vito operates. He take all his time he did not start with me until Tom Galigaino and a couple of more that I had watched over me this would be about the third or fourth time that I got in trouble by my bosses telling me to do something and then leave me holding the bag. I like to know how much one can push a man all the way until we met in Atlanta and there he tried the same thing which I would talk about near the end of the story. Now I would let you know what he pulled concerning the Gene affair a couple of weeks after I met Vito down town. I was given an address, I think by Tony Bender or someone else, I really don't remember, for sure I read the address from a piece of paper and it was somewhere in Highlands in Jersey, it was a bar and restaurant owned by Vito Genovese's son-in-law. I was supposed to go there alone and I knew it was a carpet. The carpet was because I ordered Gene to be killed in front of the crap game as if I did it on my own. Anyone can see that theyl my bosses, were doing everything so that I blow my top. First they tell you to do something of which I can't refuse then they make believe that they don't know anything after its done. Well anyway, if one can understand they make such phony appointments to test me there has been at least a half dozen guys that did not show up on phony appointments as the one they made for me before I went to ...

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and I went to the Lido and that same night Vinnie called me and he told me that he saw Tony and that he would take care of everything and asked me if I felt better. I said this is the first time that I got a fair deal. Ok Vinnie said if you get a chance come down to the Gold Key. I said OK. That morning very late I took a ride to the Gold Key Club and Tony was not there and I had a wonderful time and I got out of the club about nine o'clock in the morning. That was the end of that carpet but it goes to show you that there wasn't a thing that I can get away with no matter what the thing was always making a deal out of everything.

Vinnie was starting to see the light how they pick on me.

Now I get bad news from my accountant that Matty my partner in the dress shop is not paying the witholding taxes and he is behind about eight thousand dollars. He is withholding the taxes every week from the operators but is not turning it in by not turning it in I mean that he is not sending the money into the tax people. Now I get hold of him and I try to put some sense into his thick head of his. I try to tell him that the government would not do anything to him because the government knows that he, Matty, is a poor slob but he is leaving an opening for me to go to jail because my name is on the papers so I ask the accountant what shall I do. He adtised me to sell my share of the shop to Matty but I would still be a partner after all Matty charged me for the withholding taxes ...

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got to laugh here we are two partners and one guy is a sucker and another is a wise guy who does the conniving, the sucker, and besides I have the money in the shop not only that I put all the money in the shop but I used to send Matty money for his personal use. I knew he was fooling around with the forelady but being a guy of understanding I would make believe that I did not know anything, after all I am no angel myself and besides I held a lot of respect for Matty. I always have a lot of respect for hard working men and Matty was a very hard working man. He would put his head down and push the sewing machine all day long without lifting his lead up and I met his wife and his sons and daughters, everyone of them were very respectable and very well mannered. I needed the shop so that I would have something to file my taxes. Even if I did not get any pay sometimes I would put it in the book to show that I was earning some money legitimate so the factory was a good thing for me. I tried all kind of business, although the boys had control of garment center, by that I mean that there was at least a half dozen members in the jobbing business and as I was a contractor I needed work from the jobbing people but I went to none of them for any work. My partner Matty used to get his own work and I liked nothing better than to get along without their help. I was forced to go to Johnnie Dio when the union men came around. Once I happened to be in the shop when two men came around and they said that they

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belong to Local 25 whatever that was I did not know, but I know it had to do with the contractor in the dress business. At this time we were making play suits and Many was getting the work from a non-union jobber. All I remember is the jobber's name was Hirsch, I do not remember his first name. Matty introduced me to Mr. Hursch and he made me promise him that if the union men came in the shop we should not tell them where we were getting the work from. I told him that he should not worry I rather close the shop than tell them anything. I mention a couple of names to him that were important down at the garment center. He was shocked to hear me mention such names. He asked me how come I don't do any business with them. Well, I said, you know Matty a long time and you know that he is an honest man and he can get work because he does good work and he gets a good price from the jobbers like yourself you are giving him top price on this play suit, aren't you? He said, yes now that I met you and I see that you know what you are talking about I'll give you a nickle more on the garment maybe you may do me some good sometime. Well I told him in your own way check on me without letting anyone know why you are checking.

He said he would and when he will find out he will call me. OK I said. It wasn't long before he called and he told me that as long as he would have work we would be fir first ones to get it. Now I'll tell you what happened when the two

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guys from Local 25 came over. I asked them if I can do anything for them.

They asked me if I belong to the union. I told them that I did not and he wanted to know if the operators were in the union. I told him that they did not belong to any union and to begin with I told him that most of the girls did not know how to speak English. He asked me how much was I getting for the garment. I told him one dollar and sixty-five cents. Gee, he said, it is a good price. Then I brought him to some of the operators and I asked them in front of the two men and they answered me in broken English how much they, the operators, were being paid for their work. When the two men heard what the operators were earning gee they said they are getting more than the union wages. In other words you are here to force me in the union regardless whether you hurt me or not. He said that he could not help it because there was a complaint. Now as my partner Matty had a permit for a gun and I knew where Matty kept it so I walked them towards where the gun was and I pulled it out and when they saw it they ran out of the factory like two deers. Matty started to laugh. I told Matty that if the union can do at least what we getting for our work and what we are giving the operators I won't mind but they can't give us what we are getting and according to his own statement we are paying the girls more than the union wages if we join the union we would lose Mr. Hirsh and we would lose the girls how do you

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like it Matty said we would have to close the shop.

About one hour later I got a phone call from Johnnie Dio's office and the guy who called said that is the way to do it run them out of the shop. He told me that the two guys went and complained to Johnnie Dio but don't worry Johnnie would take care of them they won't be over to your shop any more and I thinked him and I never had any trouble any more. It wasn't long after this and Matty got sick and he died with that famous sickness cancer. The tax people took over the shop and they sold the machines for whatever they could get for them. They sent for me and I told them that I had sold my share of the shop to Matty some two years before he died as they can check if they wanted and they told me that they knew it but they wanted to make sure, so I lost my original investment but with all the money that I dfew from the shop in the years that I was with Matty I did not lose anything. Could had been later than what I said I really don't remember the exact year that Matty died.

Now is something that I almost forgot but I have so much on my mind and I am off the streets almost five years that I do overlook one thing or another.

The time I met Solly Shields on First Ave. when he introduced me to his wife I was with a guy from the Bronx, his name was Willie and he owned a bar somewhere in the Bronx not long after I introduced Solly to this fellow. Solly was up ...

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was the guy's wife that he met in France. Oh I said go and see her I said.

Pat said that he had an appointment to meet her that night in mid-town some where, I don't remember. Pat calls me the next day and I meet him and he tells me that Dominick's wife wants eight thousand dollars. Pat asked me what shall we do now. So I told Pat just let me think. I had to think. What I was thinking was that there is a law passed in 1948 that none of Frank Costello's boys are supposed to fool around with junk. I was thinking about going and see Tony because that is my only chance because I knew that it will be hard to sneak. Pat don't understand so I had to do the thinking - now I was thinking if I go and see Tony Bender and if Tony should refuse then I'm stuck I'll be stuck because if Tony should refuse he would tell me to forget all about it and I can't take the chance because of Pat he don't understand and if they should question Pat I'll be hurt and I won't ever know where it come from so I thought it best if I go and see Tony, if Tony Bender is involved then I won't mind, in other words Tony would have to stand by me so I go to Tony Bender's house in Fort Lee, New Jersey. I tell Tony that I got a proposition and I need at least nine thousand dollars and I tell him that I got others involved with me and he asked me who so I tell him that Pat Pagano is one of the guys and he Tony asked me if I had any outsiders in on it. I told him no I did not want to tell him

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about Willie as Tony won't know Willie anyway. I figures that I would take care of Willie because I felt sorry for Willie because I felt that I made Solly meet Willie. Tony gives me the money and he tells me that we go fifty-fifty with the deal. He tells me that I'll take care of my guys and he would take care of his guys whoever he had. He told me that he would let Pat Muccio take care of everything. I was glad because I did not want to handle it. I see Pat and I give him the eight thousand dollars and a few hundred dollars so that he can entertain Dominick's wife. I knew she must be high class because of her husband being a millionaire. I see Pat the next day andhe tells me that he met her and that he was with her all night as she wants him to keep her company until she 50es to the hospital and have her baby. I tell Pat that it was a good thing that I used my head and I was keeping the extra money because I figured that Pat would have to entertain Dominick's wife so I tell Pat to meet her as much as he can. Pat could not understand why Dominick wanted us to give his wife the eight thousand dollars. I tell Pat I could understand why. He Pat asked me what did I think I told him that Dominick figures that when he is got eight thousand dollars in his hand the stuff that he would send over would be paid.

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a kilo-for the benefit of someone who won't know what a kilo is I'll tell you it is thirty-five ounces of junk. Well I'm staying in the Lido and Pat is entertaining Dominick'w wife. Now I don't know if Dominick's wife was still here when fifteen kilo arrived here. Now it cost one thousand dollars a kilo to get it off the boat but the seaman gets it off the boat but the seaman gets it off the boat and he waits for his money. I had nothing to do with any of this doings, Pat Muccio had all this responsibility now when it is off the boat and the stuff is safe in Pat Muccio's hands Tony Bender sends for me and he tells me that he put in nine guys so that they can make some money. Gee I remained dumbfounded. I said to myself that Tony is taking advantage because he knows that I know that we ain't supposdd to fool aroun d with any junk. Well I could not say anything but I thought it was funny that Tony was so nice in the beginning now that the stuff got here safe he laid out the law. I did not know how I was going to tell Pat I knew well enough that Pat won't understand.

Well I did not say anything as I figured that I would talk to Tony later but when I did talk to him he just did not want to do anything about it there is no sense putting down the nine names on the record because I found out no one got anything except Tony Bender and Vito Genovese of course. I was thrown a piece of bone. I was going to pull out the balance of the money that Dominick had coming - it would had amounted to $29,500 but if I paid Dominick I would

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have to continue to do business but I had no intention to do any more business so I talk to Pat. I sit Pat down and I tell him what Tony had told me about the nine partners. He got awful mad. I told him the best thing to do is don't pay Dominick and we quit. He said the guys is got my, his, phone number. I told him why worry about the phone number when I am explaining to you what it is all about as Pat was not a member yet at this time I tried to tell him that I can't say much because we are not allowed to fool around with junk that is why I am explaining everything to you. All I see, Pat said, that they treat guys like dogs. Well I can't say too much to Pat as these guys are like the weather I understand the move but I don't want to tell Pat the move is to let me look bad so that Tony will steal Pat. That is the way they work but a young boy like Pat can't see it. On top of it all, Tony calls me again and he tells me that Vito Genovese owes Frank Costello twenty thousand dollars that Vito had borrowed from Frank Costello when Vito came back from Italy and Vito ain't doing any too good, Tony said. I just look at Tony and I told him give me some money for Pat and I don't want anything. Well Tony said I'll tell you what I'll do I'll pay it I will take the money from the other guys. Well I had to be careful as to what I will say now. Pat Muccio comes over and he said that they were all through they had enought stuff left to cover my share What do you want

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Pat Muccio told me the cash or the goods. I told him that I'll let you know so I talk to Pat Pagano and I asked him what shall I do because Fiore and Joe Pagano were bothering us for some stuff. So Pat said if we take the cash then we would have to give my brother and your nephew some money and then for real we won't get anything so the best thing to do is get the stuff and we would give it to the kids at cost price and we would tell them that we are giving them the stuff at cost price so that they can make some money for themselves. Gee that is a good idea I said so I call Pat Muccio and I tell him that I want to see him and when I did see Pat Muccio I tell him to give the stuff to Fiore and Joe Pagano. Not realizing that Fiore and Joe were in a jam because they owed money to the connection from whom they got the hundred thousand dollars counterfeit money that they gave Solly Shields. Pat Pagano finds out that Fiore and Joe Pagano are paying off the money that they owed for the counterfeit money. I call Fiore Siano and Joe Pagano and I asked them if they are paying off with our money and they said that they are paying off with their own money so I tell them you ain't paying us why are you paying them guys first so they said the guys want to put them on the carpet because they found out that we got stuff you know how it is right away they find out because they are giving the stuff to the guys in Harlem and word gets around. Well I be a son of a gun I said I ...

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some money now I got to worry about getting our money. Don't worry Joe said you would get every dime. On top of it all I'm told that Vito wants to see me there is an appointment made for me in Yonkers at Dom the Sailor's house so I take Fiore along with me so that he can hear what it is all about. I get the address of Dom the Sailor's house and I go there at the time that I am supposed to be there and there is Vito Genovese and Dom the Sailor and I introduce Fiore for the first time to Vito Genovese. I don't remember if Fiore knew Dom the Sailor or not remember Fiore Pat and Joe had worked on the Gene affair but they were not members yet. Vito talked very nice. He asked me if I had made a junk deal. I said, yes, and he, Vito, said did you know that you ain't supposed to fool around with junk. I said that I did so he said OK don't let it happen again. I said, I won't and he said OK you can go now. So I tell Fiore OK did you hear with your own ears he said he did but I don't tell Fiore that Vito hot his end of the deal and from the looks of things if Tony gave him the right count he got plenty but I dare not tell anyone now here is the way I found out that no one else got anything. I asked Pat Muccio how did he make out. Hey Joe, he said, if I tell you and he stopped I said what is the matter and he said you asked me how did I make out I said yes then he said who did all the work. I told him that he did then he said if you promise that you

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won't say anything I'll tell you so. I swear to my kid that I won't say anything.

Then he tells me that he did not get a dime. He tells me that Tony Bender was taking all the money as it was coming in and when the end came and I told him that there was no more stuff and that I had given the last two kilos to you I asked him if I can get some money do you know what he told me. I did not answer then he said, Tony told me that he gave Vito all the money. I just walked away and I said don't worry I ain't like you guys you can tell me something and I forget about it but I can't tell you guys anything because you run like a deer the way you went and tell Tony Bender that I was bothering you for money. He said that he did not. I said don't lie Vinnie told you in my presence that you did. Tony was going to call me, he did not call me because Vinnie stopped him. You heard Vinnie tell you up at Champ Segal Hotel house, why lie. He did not say anything and he walked away looking worried because he had bought a house and he depended on this money to pay for it. I go and see Tony Bender and I tell him that Vito called me and I told him what Vito told me and he said that is the act I know he called you so don't worry about it. If you have another deal see what happened Tony I told him there be no other deal I had enough. Now if I could trust Pat. Pagano I would had asked for the money that we owed Dominick but I can't trust these kind of guys because

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they are always looking to get close to the Boss, especially that Pat Pagano met Tony a couple of times and here is the way Pat Pagano would talk. Hey Joe I think that Tony Bender likes me - if he only knew how disgusting he sounded he would had not said it twice as I am on this story I might as well finish it now as I must tell you that I met Pat Pagano in Atlanta in 1960 and he was kind of cold so I was twice as cold. He ain't nothing to me. I took him off the streets and I at least put him in a position to meet some people.

He was a bum from the neighborhood and the best that would had happened to him would had been that he would had gotten his head broken because he was a cockey boy. One day in Atlanta he told me that all he knows that he made a deal with me and he got the worst of things. I told him the old man is here do you want to talk about it now you are a member you can talk. He said no he did not want to talk about it. I asked him why he did not answer me. I said, hey Pat you know what you are doing you are taking it out on the weak guys like you one can buy them a dime a dozen. He said how do you make that out.

I'll tell you I said now you are in a position to know right and wrong you know that I did not have much to say. The guy that gave us a bad deal was Tony and all I hear you see, Gee I think that Tony likes me. Then he said again all I know is that I done business with you. Yes I know, I said, but you just don't ...

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guys get in the mob I forget you because I know that you are going to see who is important and that is the guy you are going to try and make friendship with.

I'm trying to tell you if I make a beef that is what they were looking for I can't tell you anything because you are big shot crazy. I can see you how you act in here you get all excited when you see Frank Costello. Go ahead take a walk I told him I went through a lot of guys like you, I'm used to it. I said I want to ask you one more question, how much did the kids pay us for the stuff, they were supposed to give us twenty thousand dollars, how much did they give us Pat said about fifty-three hundred dollars. I said what was their balance he said fourteen thousand seven hundred dollars. I said is that right. He said yes.

How come you not mad at them. He did not say anything you see what I mean Pat over here you see Frank Costello and Vito act cold with me and what do you do kick a guy when he is down you see what I mean. Now don't you? The other day you were talking to me and Frank passed and what did you do, leave me flat and you ran to him and here you are trying to impress me. I'll tell you again guys like you can be bought for a dime. Why don't you want to talk to the old man about it, don't you think he the old man did not notice it that you are acting cold, let's go and tell him why you are acting cold he knows all about the deal you know what I told him. If I cared I will go and tell the old man but as I said who care

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how you feel I'll tell you again you ain't nothing. He said, Joe I'm sorry that you got 15 years. I'll tell you what I told him I don't care do you know why because I'm tired of living out in the outside world with guys like you, Fiore, Joe and yourself. Again I tell you, now let me go about my business and do my time and we broke it up and I never spoke to him again. I want to explain why I had no respect for Pat or Joe his brother. Fiore I give to the Indiana.

You can see how much heartache all three of them gave me. Before I tell you a little more about these three guys let me tell you how much money Tony Bender and Vito Genovese made on that junk deal. They made clear $91,500.

Now I must say that I am surprised why did they not kill me after the deal. I want the boys to know why they the bosses, especially Vito, enforced the mob law that the soldiers cannot sell junk just put your boss in on it and you can sell all the junk you want and if your boss calls you after you made money for him and he gives you a bawling out, pay no attention to him because he is only letting you know that it was a privilege for you. Now I'll tell you why I had no respect for the three kids. In my time we had respect for the one who vouched for us at all times but the kids of today look to advance themselves at any cost.

After I lost all that money with Joe Pagano and his partner Fiore, Joey brings any deals that he gets to Tommy Rye. I'm not mad because he brings the deals to Tommy Rye but the way they walk the chalk line. When I was on the lam and

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I gave Joie my keys to my juke boxes to take care of them for me he was stealing from one hundred and fifty dollars a week to two hundred dollars a week it was not enough what he stole on the junk deal, the crap game, and money that they borrowed from me personally, and then testify against me in the underworld trial that Vito Genovese had Tommy investigate for him while he Vito Genovese was in Atlanta. I know what went on because Frank Costello told me in Atlanta he, Frank, had told me that Vito was madeat me because he got a bad report about me from the outside. He Frank tells me that Fiore worked for me on the outside. I told Frank that it was a lie and I ran right over to Vito and I told him what is this that I hear that Fiore worked for me.

He Vito said I don't know that is what Frank is trying to tell me. Well I'll be I said. Who can keep up with these guys. Frank tells me something that Vito said and then Vito tells me that Frank said it, that was enough for me. I said to myself that this guy have everything going fine on the outside and they have nothing else to do but agitate. I'll tell nore later on.

Around the end of 1953 Tony Bender sends for me and he tells me that the State Liquor Authorities are being bothered by the junk agents. They advised Tony that I should sell the Lido Restaurant but we have nothing to worry about as I will be alright as long as they whoever it was that Tony had on the

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A. B. C. Board would be there Tony had very good connection on the A. B. C. Board but I never took time out to find out who they were as I was not interested just as long as he kept me open, that was all that mattered. Now I get word from Tony Bender that the Gap is in town as he came here from Italy and while he was in Italy he the Gap got arrested for passing counterfeit money in Italy and that the Gap had made a deal with the boss agent. He Tony sent word to me that he came in on one of the Italian boats and he the boss agent Siragusa and how did Tony know - well one of the Italian mob boys came in on the same boat as they did and as the boat landed everyone got off the boat at the same time. The Italian mob guy was put on the boat in Italy just so that he would come here and he would warn the mob about it. Now Tony said that I must be careful because the Gap made a deal in Italy with the agents that he is going to set up Vinnie, Pat Muccio and myself. Tony said that the Gap is sure to be in my place and when he does come he would tell me that he the Gap jumped the boat but I should not believe him and I should be careful that he may have a minature tape recorder on his person. After I was told all this about the Gap one thing for sure that I was making up my mind no matter how the Gap was out to set me up I was not going to have a hand in having anything to do as far as I getting the Gap. Now I remember how they gave me a hard time in the Gene affair. In other words I did not want to do anything anymore.

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I also remembered how they gave me the rap for calling the Gap a rat about a year before this imformation came to me.

The Gap did not make an appearance in my place until three weeks after I got the warning. One night as I was sitting at the bar a guy opened the door of the Lido Restaurant and he shouted if Joe is here. I said, Yes here I am - with that he called outside and he told the people outside Joe is here.

The Gap walks in and there was four more guys with him all cock-eyed drunk.

The Gap comes over to me and he kissed me. I asked him how come you are here and how come you are walking around so freely. He said that he just come in and that he was twenty-seven days in a hatch of the ship. He said he ran away from Italy. I asked him about his wife and he did not answer me he just kept on talking about the hard time that he had on the boat and he said that he just came down from Tommy Milos joint in Yonkers and that Tommy had gave him five hundred dollars so I told him that I had no money but in a few days I would have some for him. Now he tells me that we are going to get rich. I asked how. He said I must call Vinnie and Pat Muccio in face he said call them now. I told him that I did not bother with Vinnie or Pat. He told me I must get them. I said I don't know where to get them. Well he said I'll be here Thursday night make sure they are here. I asked him what do you want

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He said all four of us. What doing I asked. He said that he has fifty thousand dollars worth of base. I asked him what is base. He said you are with those guys and you don't know what base is. Is aid I am not with those guys. He said that's right they are with Tony Bender but I want you in on this he said.

Gap, I told him, are you aware that we cannot fool around with junk. He said since when you worry about what you ain't supposed to do. I said Gap things changed around here since you were deported to Italy. Yes, he said, so I heard. Then he hesitate and he said in a very low voice that he and I are going to Cuba. I opened his coat and I said, Gee you lost weight. I meant his jacket I saw no sign of a taperecorder so I whispered go to Cuba tonight but he was so drunk that it went over his head. While all this was going on we were drinkly freely and I was not letting anyone pay. By base he meant the stuff that makes the junk and one must be an expert to do it and I really did not know anything about it but what I was thinking was that they are out to give us ninety-nine years as making junk in this country is a very serious rap that is why hardly makes it in this country and that is why they get it here from Europe. Now the Gap asked me for Frank Luciano's phone number or his address. I asked him why he wanted it. He said that he wanted to kill him. What did he do I asked. He said he clipped my wife for some money he told her that he had a connection

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to get me back in this country. Gee Gap, I said, I swear I don't have his phone or address, but I did. He said that he will get him. I'm trying to get him to talk about his wife but he would not talk about her so I figured that he must know that I was on the carpet for calling him a rat a year before. I said to myself I'm not going home until day light as I knew that it won't be long before they get him. Well everything points just the way I warned I was told that he was out to set up Vinnie, Pat and I and that is what he kept talking about now. I know I got the right tip. Well I was trying to help him as I owed him a favor as he saved me when he brought me to Brooklyn in 1931 and kept me out of Harlem all that day but he gives me no choice and besides I give him a hint and he is too drunk to catch it. The other guys were to themselves while all this was going on. Now I asked the Gap if he ever sent me a letter from Italy as one day about six months before the Gap came here a guy came in the Lido and he brought me a letter telling me that he hadjust arrived from Italy and that the Gap wanted me to do business with him and that the letter would verify it.

The Gap said that he did not send anyone with a letter, in fact he the Gap said that he was in jail in Italy six months ago. So I was right I told the Gap he asked me what was I talking about so I told him about six months ago an agent walked in here and he was Italian and he told me that he had just left you in Italy and

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that the letter said that you wanted me to do business with him but I refused to let him read me the letter and I threw him out of the joint. The Gap said good for you as I did not send anyone to you. So I waited and hoped that the guy would come back but he never did. Well now the Gap leaves and he tells me that he would be back Thursday and I should make sure that I have Vinnie and Pat over here in the Lido. I said OK. After the Gap left I made a call as I was to call while the Gap was in the place but as I said that I did not want any part of this affair and in fact I don't want any part of any affair after the experience I had in Highlands in Jersey. When I did make the call here is what I said, Tony the Gap was here, and Tony asked me if he the Gap was still there. I said no then I told him that the reason why I'm calling you now that he left is because I don't want any part of it. He asked me where did he go. I said I did not know and I told him that it is not our affair and I don't want to get into any trouble butting in other peoples business. He said that he did not blame me. Well he said how does it look to you. I said the information is right. Of course I did not call from the Lido. The next night I was told that if I get a chance I should stop at the Del Rip up in Yonkers as it was opened all hours of the night. I went up there late when I got in the place Tommy Milo called me over to his table and there was a couple of the boys there and

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Tommy asked me if the Gap came in my place last night. I said he did and Tommy told me that he left the Del Rio and that he was headed for you joint. I said yes he told me and he also told me that you gave him five hundred dollars. Tommy said yes that is why I sent for you. Well I said what's on your mind. Tommy wanted to know if it true what he heard. I said Tommy if you want to know anything please get in touch with down town I don't want to be involved in anything any more I'm just fed up with everything and I ain't interested in anything. Everytime we opened our mouths it is a carpet. It looks as though they want to think for you too. Tommy said Joe I like the Gap and I know you were brought up with him and I was hoping that it is not true. Now if you were told anything save me a trip from going down town. OK I'll tell you just what I was told. OK he said I know if you tell me it would be solid that's why I want to hear it from you. Yes Tommy I was told so be careful I don't want my name kicked around. Tommy felt bad. I had a drink or two and I left I went back to the Lido. Now when Thursday came around I did not go to the Lido. I called during the night and the bartender told me that the Gap called and he wanted to know if I'm coming in. I told the bartender that's why I called to tell you that I won't be in the Lido tonight I'm all tied up down town so if he calls again tell him that I won't be there tonight. I stayed out of the Lido all night I did not want to make too many calls as the bartender was Irish.

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I had put him to work because he was an honest man and he had his own following.

About three days or four, I don't remember just when, I was home and about four-thirty in the morning two detectives come over to my house and they were surprised to find me home they came in my room and they asked me what are you doing in the house. I told them that I was sleeping. They said to me you are sleeping and the Gap just got killed so I asked what am I supposed to do. Well one of them told me that they are going to take me in. OK I said do you want me to dress. No he said I'm just thinking I don't know why the junk agents want us to pick you, Vinnie and Patty Muccio up. They said that you three guys knocked the Gap off. We rush over here thinking that we not going to fine you home and here you are. Your wife said that you came in about three o'clock in the morning and the Gap got killed at ten minutes to four. One of these detectives I know so I asked him again if he wanted me to dress up. He said no get Vinnie and Patty and yourself and you call me at the police station and I would let you know if I want you and the other two guys to come in. Let me ask you something I told the detective who told you to pick up up. He said the agents. Gee I said they really use you guys as bobs. He said what do you mean. I said the agents make all the trouble and they they want you to make an arrest.

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In the meantime I had asked my wife to make a cop of coffee so we sit by ourselves and I tell the detectives that the agents brought the Gap in from Italy and he is supposed to set me, Vinnie and Patty up. The underworld gets a tip from they own kins I mean other agents tip off the Mob. Now things don't go right for them and they come and tell you to lock up the three guys that they the agents were looking to frame and you guys like suckers rush over here thinking I was not home and if I was not home you sure would had thought that I was killing the Gap but you find me home and you are stuck. One of them said to me Joe if what you telling me is true I would tell it to my boss and I'm sure that my boss would pick up no one. Now if you make me do a thing like that and then it ain't true you and I would be bad friends. OK I said if you think that I am bulling you then you take me in I am so sure I'll even tell you what agent brought the Gap in and you would find out that the Gap did not jump any boat he came in with the boss agent, his name is Siragusa and when you check you would see that I am telling you the truth. Now the detective asked me if the Gap was in my place about four or five days ago. Yes I said I was waiting for you to ask me that question. See I said how they know that he was in my place you know why they know because they the agents sent him in now it kickback on them and they are sore at me. It is too bad they work so hard trying to frame us and when it don't

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work out they blow their top. In other words the detective told me you know or expected the Gap to come in your place. I said sure I did the Gap is here three weeks. All they do, I mean the agents get someone killed and then they come running to you guys and let you think that they know everything OK the detective told me you have those guys ready and you call me at four o'clock this afternoon if the Boss wants you in you come in if he believes this story then he won't want you in OK I'll call you at four o'clock. That afternoon I had the other two guys ready and I called at the police station when the detective got on the phone he said don't bother coming in he said that he would see me at the Lido at about eight o'clock that night so that night he came to the Lido and he told me that when his boss heard the story he got mad and he ain't going to call in no one. He said the police department did not know that he the Gap was in the United States. The detective told me that he is going to check on everything and when he finds out he would come and let me know. He said I hope your story checks OK I said you will see. In about a week the detective comes back in the Lido and he tells me he found out that it happened just the way I told him. Gee he said where did you guys get the information. I said I told you the tip came from others in Italy and the boys there in Italy sent a man here to put the mob wise. Am I right that the Gap was here a couple of weeks not the way the agents ... right and besides you made me look good in

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from of my boss. My boss said to me where did you get that information. I told him that I have friends too so the boss told him well whoever this friend is he certainly knows what he is talking about. The detective got up and he thanked me and he left. Now I find out that when the Gap came in and he went home his wife jumped out of the window when she heard that it was her husband knocking on the door. Then I heard that he caught up with her and he gave her such a beating and force out of her if it true that I had called him a rat so I was right in not going home until it was daylight. He must had wanted to get me alone in his car. I suppose but I was kind of hip as long as he was around I kept going home nine or ten o'clock in the morning and sometimes I did not go home at all. Especially when I heard that he was going in a certain game in the Bronx that was operating at that time - it was a card game that was in the heart of Forham and it was in this game that he spent his last hours and in fact he won about one thousand three hundred dollars that morning that he died one of the guys that was in the place that night told me that the boss of the bar took all the money out of the Gap pockets and he put it all in a drawer behind the bar when the cops came as they searched all over the place and when it was all over and they took the Gap away the boss of the bar went to look for the money and it was all gone so he blamed the cops for taking the money as the cops themselves

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heard that the Gap had made a win just before the guy walked in the bar he knew the follows that killed him because as I was told as soon as the Gap saw them come in the place he the Gap ran in the backroom and there is where the cops found him. He the Gap tried to get out of the bar but the windows had bars so he was stuck. The Gap was killed in Maurullo Bar. It was somewhere in the Forham section of the Bronx near Third Ave. around 187 Street somewhere.

I never was in the bar. Mauriello lost his license because of the killing. After everything quited down one of the guys came over to the Lido he was the guy that spent his last few hours with the Gap. I could tell you his name but I must protect him as he is just a guy that hangs around. I asked him to describe to me just what happened. To begin with he said just ten minutes before they the killers came in the bar Gap was talking to himself. I asked him what was he the Gap saying. He said the Gap was saying that he tried to get you all of Thursday night but you were not in the bar. I told him to go on and try to remember everything so he tells me that the Gap realized that you were trying to tell him something. He said that you told him to go to Cuba the night he was in your joint. That is right I told him. Now I feel better I know I tried but he was so drunk that he did not hear a thing that I was trying to tell him. Yes he said the Gap said it to me what made him come in your joint drunk. I tell the guy can you understand it. Then the guy tells me that the Gap's last words

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