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THE REAL THING Second Government THE EXPOSE AND INSIDE DOINGS OF COSA NOSTRA BY JOSEPH VALACHI, MEMBER SINCE 1930 To begin with, I must say that I came from the poorest family on earth -- at least that was the way I felt when I was a little boy. As a boy I went barefoot most of the time. Never did I receive anything at Christmas time. I believed in Santa Claus and hung my stocking up every Christmas, but never ever found an apple, all I would get on Christmas was being awakened and having my father try to give me a glass of whisky, which I used to refuse -- it was too strong. One night when l was about eight years old my brother and I were awakened about 1:00 o'clock in the morning. What woke us was my Mother and Father were having a fight. It was about a dispossess . At this time the rent was about seven dollars a month. My brother told me to dress up. He was three years older than I, so l dressed up and he took me on Park Avenue around 114th Street By this time it was about 2:30 in the morning, so we broke into a ...
- 2 - this being a market neighborhood potato bags were common. At this time Fairy Soap was 5c a bar. We went from house to house and sold the soap for 2 bars for 5c. When we knocked at the apart- ment doors most of the people knew us. Well, I don't remember how much we made but I do remember it helped pay one month's rent. It was around this time that I earned the name of Joe Cargo. I started to build my own toys. I would get a soap box, put an axle on the end of the box and I would use two wheels from a baby carriage and put one on each end of the axles, and put a screw on each wheel to keep the wheels tight. Then I would use a 2 by 4 about 5 feet long and put two more wheels in front and put a bolt in the middle and put a rope on each end of the front wheels so that I could steer the wagon left or right. I would put one leg in the wagon, sort of kneel in the box of the wagon and I would push with my left leg to the ground - holding the rope in each hand at the same time with my hands on the box. Most of the time I would go at 116th Street and Park Avenue because it had a steep hill. I would go on top of the hill and come down full speed. If any car or truck was passing by
- 3 - at the time I was coming down well the only thing I could do was to try and go either left or right and then I might turn over. Its a good thing that at this time there wasn't many cars. Well any way as long as I had a wagon on my hands and it could carry a pretty good load I started to go for junk with the wagon. By junk I mean brass, rags, iron and things like that. I would go on the West Side and do down to the basement apartments and ask the sup if he wanted to get rid of any junk. I started to earn about three or four dollars a day. I started to get so much junk that I had to use a bigger and stronger wagon. Instead of baby carriage wheels I started to use wheelbarrow wheels. They were very strong and I could put any amount of weight on the wagon. So I started to pick up a lot of iron as iron started to go up as there was talk about war. Of course I'm talking about the First World War. Then there was the problem of going to school. Since I built heavy wagons I started to make about seven to nine dollars a day, so I used to stay away from school some times. I stood away as long as 30 to 40 days just to make money and I used to give it all home.
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- 6f - hold a contest of all the bands. This year to my surprise I was one of the boys that went. We had on a uniform and they were very pretty. It was wonderful. We went down by subway. I don't remember which one but it was a subway. We had the time of our lives. No one ran away. I guess I'll finish now talking about the Catholic Protectory. Only say that Catholic Protectory won. God forbid if they didn't win, it would have meant more penance. I don't remember what year it was but I went and visited up there and the brother brought me all over the place and that is all. I could say more but it best I don't. Let me explain the neighborhood of East Harlem as a kid before and after I came home from the New York Catholic Protectory, especially the first time I came home. First I'll explain how we stood on the corner at First Ave. and waited for a wagon or a truck that the rear doors were not locked from top to bottom, for instance a grocery truck or wagon. We would jump on the rear of the truck or wagon and lift any thing we can grab. Say like a tub of butter or a small box of cheese or anything. Now the big guys of the block would buy it from us. When I say us I mean us kids. They would tell us if we did not sell to ...
- 6f - 1 - some money so We can have a few dollars in our pocket. One of the older fellows would fit in my story later on. His name was Crazy Chuck. He was the most feared guy in the block, of course I'm talking about 108th St between First and Second Ave., the same block as I talked about in the early part of this story the murder stable. One time some kid and I stole some suits from a second hand store and we put the suits in the hallway of one of the apartments in 108th St. As we were coming down the block with another load We caught one of the older fellows stealing our second hand suits. Well this was too much. I picked up a brick and I told him put those suits down or I'll hit you on the head. He said he took them as he did not know who they belonged to, so I said they belong to us. See we got more. So he said that he would buy them from us. I said OK that's different, now when we had a few dollars, especially if it was in the summer, we will go to 96th St and First Ave. where there was a boat there that had a swimming pool. We didn't go there too often because that neighborhood was rough. Some times they will grab us being we came from a different neighborhood. They will search us and take everything we had in our pockets. This ...
- 6f - 2 - and we would have stones, bats or iron bars and whatever we can get our hands on. Sometimes we caught them and sometimes we didn't. It got to be that way with all the blocks,and we started to fight different blocks and when we were alone we had to get from one block to another we will go through the cellars and come out on the next block and then cross the street and so the same thing. For instance if I wanted to go from 108th St. to 106th St that was what I had to do. We weren't safe any more no matter where we were even when we will be in the poolroom or in the cafe. We always had someone watching out for us. Now when the First World War was on we started to have block parties. We used to go around and make a collection and we will get a neighborhood band and we will have real good fun. In those days block parties were common. We will have nothing but clean fun. Sometimes I did go out with some of the girls on 108th St. but all we would do was go to Central Park if it was in the summer. We will rent a row boat or if it was in the winter we will go to a movie. But I did not go with any girls steady. And I can say only that it happened once or twice
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- 6j - stores had bars so I used to get the fire escape ladder from the building and put it behind the store window and I would force the bars apart with a two by 4. I would take some cheap piece goods and then sell it to the women in the block. Anything to make a few dollars, but I would not fool around with any stick-up. I had too much sense for that kind of stuff. There was a pants store on Second Ave, I was making a hole from one store to another through the wall when all of a sudden I heard a tap coming from the pants store telling me to go away, I thought that was very nice of the guy, he could have called the cops instead. I don't know if he knew that it was me. So I went in there and bought a cheap pair of pants just to see if he would tell me anything, sure enough he told me about it. He was telling me about some fellows were trying to break in the other night, he said he could have called the cops but he figured that it was some kids from the neighborhood, so I told him it was nice of him and I told him that they won't try to rob him any more so we became good friends after that, and his daughter used to smile at me all the time so I spread it around the neighborhood and
- 6l - I wanted to get away from everything. The war didn't last long since the time we tried to join maybe about six months. At this time as a teenager I was hanging out in the cafe in the block. I didn't start hanging in poolrooms, not yet, I'll tell about that later. In this cafe we would hear lots of stories as most of the owners were old timers and knew most of the gangsters of the old days. I knew most of the names of the gangsters of the old days. I don't care to mention them because I didn't like what they were doing. These are some of the rackets they were in, they would shake down the push cart peddlers, no wonder my father used to pay a dollar a week he used to tell me that he was broke because of Sharky, the one who got killed in the cafe I told about in the early part of this story. Anothe racket they had was some kind of a game, most of the time they were at lllth St and First Ave., it was some kind of a fish game, they would have three small boxes and the red fish would be attached to one of the small boxes and the guy would play with his hands and when he stopped the player would have to guess and pick which box would have the fish. They had so many busters around no
- 6m - one knew whether they were players or busters, but anyway this was the racket they were killing themselves. At least this was one of the important ones. I didn't learn about the artichoke racket yet but I will tell about it later. Now another racket that the boys didn't like was the women racket. If any of these old timers would have survived when I got older I think that I would have given them a beating. But none survives, only one or two good ones. I'm talking about the mobs before our time. This will cover the years between say 1908 through 1919. Another racket they had was a shakedown on poor business men. If a business man was known to have money, first they would write him a letter telling him that some time in his early life that he had raped a girl and they would put an age on the girl say that she was 8 or 10 years old. They would tell him that the girl had moved away but now she is back. After a few letters they would have someone contact him that knew him. This fellow would tell him the best thing to do would be to pay because he could not afford the scandal. Even if he couldn't remember, the guy would pay as he would worry about the family finding out, just the rap alone was dis-
- 6n - about how I found out about this racket later on as I myself helped one of this kind of deal. After I became a member of Cosa Nostra. By writing this kind of information is to explain how the underworld from cheap doings and how they climbed to the times of today and how the Americanized underworld and the Italian born mobsters thought. The Americanized usually stole for their money, where the Italian born since he is a kid he has racketeering on his mind. That's why I'm explaining the best way I can. The Americanized feels that he is taking a chance for his money where a greaseball (Italian born) wants to racketeer, even the Americanized crooks. I guess I explained myself the best way I can. I don't want anyone to think that I'm protecting myself as a good one, I'm only explaining Why We do not get along with the greasball -- in our hearts we don't care for one another. When I came home the second time from the Catholic Protectory I went to P. S. 83. I don't remember the exact yearl came home but I'm sure
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- 8 - disgusted because I could never be anything for myself as my father used to take the pay. I mean my pay. I'm sorry I must say that he used to trust all week buying whisky for himself, so at the end of the week he had to pay. So there used to be more fights at home. Now I must tell you how I lived. In my bedroom which was a cold flat no hot water and the toilets in the hallway. We used to bring home wood and used coal that we got from the dumps -- we packed it all in my bedroom. For sheets my mother used old cement bags. They were sewed together and made sheets out of them. So you can imagine how rough they were. I was going out with a girl that lived across the street. She lived on the top floor I lived on the ground floor and we lived next to the famous murder stable at 108th Street, First and Second Ave. She could look right in the house when the light was on and when she told me that she saw me the night before going to bed, I used to get a heart failure because I felt guilty of the filthy house. I must say these things or the reader won't understand. As I was working about a year as I said before I went
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- 11 - hated her so much, in fact all of us hated her. I used to see her sitting down in front of the stable and I used to pray that someone would kill her. Well anyway it happened and later on in years I found out why she got killed from the older man that I got to know when I was about 25 or 26 years old. This is what I was told, she had a beautiful daughter and one of the boys raped her. When the old woman found out about it she stabbed this fellow to death but this fellow had a friend and this friend was doing time at the time of his friend's death, but when he came out he killed this woman with a shotgun. Believe me I was around after she was killed. She was laying on the floor. I made it my business to get in there somehow and I just spit on her and said its about time. I guess everybody was happy as she was a very mean woman. The records of this woman being killed is on the police blotter. Now around this same time I was a good friend of some fellow named Tonno and he had a cousin and this cousin owned a big cabaret up in the fashion section of the Bronx. It is Forham Road today and in those days it was all woods. This fellow's name was ...
- 12 - asked me to go down the cellar with him and there he had a guy hanging. He pulled out a knife and he cut one finger off and put it in his pocket and said to me. See this fellow well he was no good. You look like a nice kid that's why I want to teach you. Now if you tell my cousin or anyone else I'll put you up there. Well you can rest assured that I never told anyone until he was long dead. It wasn't long after that that he was killed. I forgot to mention why we used to go up there. We went there because Tonno used to borrow one of his three cars and we used to go joy riding. Later on in years I found out who killed him just like I found out about every thing else in the old days in Harlam when I was sent to Sing Sing Prison. I met Diamond Joe Pepe's friends. I was 19 going to 20 around 1923. I was one of the youngest inmates in Sing Sing and these old timers took me with them because they knew I came from the neighborhood and they used to tell a lot of stories so one day I asked about Diamond Joe Pepe. Here is the way they explained it. When Diamond Joe Pepe was sent to Sing Sing for 10 years for a murder, all of his friends deserted him, but he had a girl which stuck by him, and she got him out in a ...
- 13 - his former friends. That's why he opened a cabaret, he figured when his old friends would drop in and see him he would show them around and when he saw fit he would kill them and then hang them down the cellar. Believe me I did not tell these fellows anything about Joe Pepe taking me down the cellar when I was a kid. I figured they might think that I was lying so I kept my mouth shut. In fact, I hardly used to talk, I was impressed being with these fellows as they were real old timers. That's all about Joe Pepe. I forgot to mention that the name of the Cabaret was called the Zoo. They later changed the name to the Garden Inn. Today it's a used car store, it's called the Bel Monte Motor, and I know the people that were there around 1950 or somewhere around this time. I went in the store and I noticed the dance floor was still there so I asked the fellow to take me down there. He said what are you crazy? I never thought that he would know anything about what happened in this store years back. He said I don't go down there if you pay me. I said show me the cellar, he said I'll take you there and open the trap door for you but I won't come down. I said good
- 14 - enough so I went down and to my amazement the rope was still on the beam. God I didn't forget it for a month and if anyone care to go and look they will see the dance floor and if they go in the cellar they will see the rope as I left it there. I just as well mention it now and finish writing about Diamond Joe Pepe. One time I remember when my father was beat up. At this time there was no work on the dumps as the scows were on strike. It lasted about a year. I was very small but I remembered what it was all about. I remembered the name of the man who had it done, it was because of a loan that my father made and couldn't pay on time. As I was getting older I kept asking about this man. All I remember that he was a baker and I knew they called him Louie the Baker. Well at this time we moved at 109th St, First and Second Ave. I was about going on 17 years old. So one day I asked someone whom I knew and he told me that this man had died. I was almost sorry to hear it as I wanted to give him at least a good beating. This block 109th Street was no better than 108th Street. In fact it was worse. I used to live on 109th St. before we moved 108th St. and then we moved back to
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- 16 - him but not very often. Well we lived here about six or seven months when all of a sudden two men walked in the cafe which was about 9 or 10 o'clock at night and they shot Sharky and another man. I remember I was looking from the key hole from the hallway and I could see Sharky laying with his head on the table and his arms hanging and the table was full of blood. It didn't make any difference what building we lived in as it was the same thing no matter what part of the block we moved. In fact this block and 108th St. was always in the newspapers. 108th Street they will say the murder stable 109th St they will call Little Italy because this block was the hangout of the mustangs. We used to call the ltaliano born, mustangs, because most of them didn't even speak English. As I grew up all we will hear was about so and so getting killed and how old they were and how long they lasted. Most of them were very young when they died. I remember talk about a guy they put on the car tracks on First Ave. at 111 St. I don't know if the trolley car went over him but I remember they put him on the trolley car tracks, it was supposed to have been in the wee hours of the morning. I remember another killing that I
- 17 - saw as a little boy. This was father and son. Later I learned the father was a napetano boss. They didn't want to shoot the son but he got in their way and yelled shot me please do not shot my father. So they shot both of them. This funeral was one of the biggest of all the ones I saw around this time. They used to have funerals almost every week. I must say that we got so used to hearing some one getting killed that us kids would try and guess who was next. Every kid had a favorite - so did I. My favorite had died already. He happened to be Sharky. Say like I heard who did it. The next thing I will be saying will be so and so is next and that's the way it went. Later on I will tell you how I met some of these old timers as I grew up and when I was in Sing Sing Prison. I could tell you now that Frank Costello and Willie Moore1 came from this same block 108th St. So you see what I mean. Frank is 72 years old now I am 60, so you see when he was 24 I was only 12 years old. So you can imagine how I felt when I grew up and I got in with some of these names that I heard so much about when I was a little boy. Before I tell
1 "Willie Moore" was an alias used by Willie Moretti.
- 18 - about my next arrest in Jersey I'll explain how I tried to work but in vain. I even worked on the snow in the winter. I also worked in a button factory. Each job I didn't last long because there was no money. Finally I got a job on a scow. I had to say I was 21 years old but I was only 17 1/2. It was no red tape, a captain of a scow named Tail Light fell over board and drowned. Another captain on another scow came and told me about it. I told him I didn't know anything about Scows. He said don't Worry I'll teach you everything. So I went with him. He brought me to the Company. It was O'Brien Bros., 80 South St. Well I got the job. As soon as one of the Tugboat Captains saw me he started to yell. What are they doing putting babies to work now. So he asked me how old I was. When I told him 21 he said if you 21 I'll hang. So I told him to go where I can't say. After all the pay was only a 100 dollars a month. The only thing good about it was that I would sleep in the day and go and burglarize at night. Not much but just to get along. After all I used to give home most of my pay so there never was enough to live with, sometimes I was broke and had no food on the scow so I will go and
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- 21 - We had a disagreement, it was 6 and 6 so we never went to trial anymore. The Jersey City arrest was around 1920. I remember that I went to work again, but I needed money to pay the lawyer so I had to go robbing stores. This time I was going with one fellow whose name was Ponzi. We would pick a store that had a lot of silk shirts as silk shirts were very expensive and you can make a small package. First we would buy a couple of locks and hasps, we will put them on the front door of the hallway in those days people won't be out 4:00 o'clock in the morning so we will gamble that if anyone was coming home to this particular building we will hear him trying to get in. The main reason why we put the locks is in case the burglar alarm went off we will have a chance to run up the roof before the police broke down the door. We will make a hole from the hallway wall to get into the store. It was very easy because it was all plaster and slats. I'll say it took about 20 minutes to make a hole for a boy to get in. Once in one will stay in the hallway and one will go in the store. You see you got to be careful as to what you do when you were ...
- 22 - Then I will take a roll of boxes I got under the counter and take the shirts out of the boxes and hand them to the other guy and I will put the empty boxes back where I took them so if the watchman or the police looked in the store on his routine check he won't see empty shelves. That's how a lot of burglars get caught they don't use their heads. If you are in a dress store you don't take the whole rack you take about 3/4 and spread the rest of the dresses so that it don't look empty. Well I got along pretty good robbing stores and I quit the job. I don't remember where I worked but I kept robbing stores or factories. I robbed dress stores all kinds of stores. Let me tell you a little more about myself when I was in my teens. First I want to explain how rough it was to go out stealing and why I got to stealing. In the first place I must start as far back as I can remember. I'll go back when we lived at 109th St, First and Second Ave. You see these are the two blocks we lived. First we lived 109th St. then we moved to 108th St., then we moved to 109th St again and then we moved back to 108th St. I remember when I didn't wear shoes, used to go around with no shoes in fact a lot of kids didn't wear shoes. My feet were
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- 33 - with the coats in our hands. So all of a sudden I saw a car coming racing in our direction so I thought it was the cops instead when he reached Lexington Ave. , he turned around and he came back so we jumped in the car and we took off so Charlie told me not to bring this guy around anymore. Charlie said that he would get rid of the coats and he did. For a couple of seconds of work I got a couple of hundred of dollars, so I said to Charlie that I'll buy a car and when I do I'll learn how to drive and then I'll go looking for him. Not long after that I bought a 1916 Packard. I paid about $375 for the car and under a phony name. So I used to go down the river and I had a guy teach me how to drive and this fellow taught me how to take care of a car, how to have all the tires even at all times and change oil and make sure that points are always right and see that the timing chain would be always checked and make sure that I would always have good breaks. So I went and saw Charlie and I told him what I was doing and he said fine, when you are ready come around. I said as soon as I get a chauffeur license I will be around. But in the meantime I was still robbing small stores to get by. But in the
- 34 - next couple of days Charlie came around and he said as long as we are going to get together that he, Charlie, was going to quit the people he was fooling around with so I should meet him that night around his neighborhood which was 124th St and First Ave. I met him that night and he brought me to his house. I didn't even know that he was married so I met his wife. That night we robbed a suit factory. Before we did I went around 105th St and Third Ave., as I knew a cab driver, as Charlie had asked me if I knew someone who would move the suits away for us when we had them all packed, as you know I still didn't know how to drive. I thought of the laundry wagon but if I didn't get the cab driver then I would tell Charlie about the laundry wagon, but the cab driver said OK that he needed some money. He said he would be in front of the restaurant all night as this restaurant was open 24 hours a day. Well we went to this factory about ll:00 o'clock that night and we were ready about 2:30 and I went and got the cab driver. When we put the suits in the cab there wasn't much room so I told Charlie that he was married and that I will get in the cab by myself and that I would meet him on 126th St
- 35 - as this is where we were going to leave the suits but as the cab driver reached the building, as Charlie had given me the address, a cop was coming from First Ave. and we were coming from Second Ave. I told the cab driver to step on it but he didn't move so when I saw what he was up to, I took off and I went into the building and up the roof. I got away through 125th St and I walked to Charlie's house. Luckily he was there, he thought that I was arrested because he came with another cab and he saw the cop talking to the cab driver so he thought that I was arrested so we figured we can go back to the factory as we had more bundles up there so I told him about the laundry wagon as it was about 4:00 o'clock now so he said fine and we went and got the laundry wagon and we took the rest of the suits. We had backed up. We still made a couple of hundred. The cab driver I didn't see for a long time after and he told me that he had a lot of trouble but that everything turned out all right. He said he told them he didn't know us and that we told him that we were moving and that if he knew anything he would had run too. While I was learning how to drive, I don't mean just drive
- 36 - I mean to learn as an expert. Charlie and I did a few burglaries. We robbed a couple of lofts, factories that were making dresses or children dresses. It was about this time that I started to go around 107th Street on Third Avenue. Now I'm all set to drive and we started to go out with some boys from 106th Street. We did so many jobs that it is impossible to remember them all. I'll only talk about the ones that we got shots fired at. In other words if we did five jobs we were fired at, at least 3 times, as what we did was very dangerous. Of course I was the driver. Now this is what I was taught about driving. As I must say a good man was teaching me all the ropes. First thing I should do he will say, check all the tires, if you use 25 pounds of air in your tires, when you go and do a job put in about 32 pounds of air and make sure that all the tires were equalized, the reason for doing this was so that you can turn on two wheels. The other guy who is chasing you is not prepared. So I even developed a habit of inspecting the tires right on the scene. As soon as we pulled over to the store I would get out and go all around the tires and see that there was no
- 37 - flats. Before I talk about anything else I must tell you as to what happened on 59th St. when we were about to crash Bloomingdales, I went around the car as I said I was checking the tires and I found a flat. As the tires were very skinny at that time and it was snowing so it was hard to tell if there was a flat besides we could had picked it up just as I stopped, so you see if you get off a hundred times and check, once that you find it, it paid off. I was very careful in every- thing I did. The proof is they never caught us right, by that I mean they never caught us on the scene, and whenever we got into trouble and the police were chasing us I never took the long run. I always went around and around the block and the guy sitting next to me would tell me go right go left and so on. I always avoided going the long run. There's no sense going 100 miles an hour and then crash and besides going that kind of speed you can always kill somebody. I always used new tires especially when we didn't pay for them - it was easy to steal tires in those days and I always had a couple of new tires on hand. One time while stealing tires on the West Side some- one took my number of the car and turned it over to the police. I
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- 40 - cabaretting and it got so that I couldn't go many places without meeting lots of guys. As we made the headlines about crashing big name stores and it was always in the newspapers, other mobs started to take notice as they would read the battle the police gave us and how many shots they fired at us. These other people would ask who is the chauffeur. Here is how I got a big tab in a cabaret, there will be the West Mob there and there will be the Jew mob here and the first thing you know they will sent over a drink, sometimes they had 7 or 8 on their table so naturally I will send them a drink and by the time I left there will be more coming in and besides some of my own friends will be coming in. The main place I used to go was the Cotton Club at l43rd Street and Seventh Avenue. The Irish mob owned this place and I got to meet most of them. I also met Cab and his sister one time or another. Well any way there was a lot of cabarets on the West Side and in the colored section. If anyone wanted to enjoy himself and have some fun he had to go to the color town. Now 125th Street at that time was almost better than 42nd Street. There was the Ritz and the Alliemove, both on 125th Street, ...
- 41 - part of the night, say from 9:00 o'clock to the late hours, we would be in one of the dance halls, could have been anyone as by this time they were coming up strong. There was the Dream Land at 125th St., this is where we went the most; there was one on Eighth Avenue, I only went there once; there was the Tangle Land on 86th Street and Lexington Avenue, and there were a few more scattered around the City. We went there once if we didn't like it we didn't go back. Now while I was going here and there naturally I was living here and there so when I used to go home my mother would wake me and ask me where did I get the 100 dollars bills I had in my pocket. I would say that I was gambling. I told her everytime I came home and I got money don't wake me just take a few and keep them. I figured in the end she would have it all saved which she did. Later on I'll tell about this as she died about the early 50's. Around this time I started to go out with the fellow from 107th Street. After awhile we got close to one another and they wanted to team up with us, by us I mean Charlie and I. They didn't want us to fool around with anyone else. Well it did get that way, these fellows
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- 43 - Now I will tell about getting together with the boys of l07th Street. The first job we went and did with these guys was a silk store up in the Bronx. Well when we saw how they worked we were well satisfied. As you know we had lots of trouble with other guys that we went out with from l06th Street. Some of them came once and they Wouldn't come again for all the money in the world. They will say, you got to die with this racket it is too dangerous. So we stuck with the Gap1 and the boys of 107th Street. In the job all in the Bronx we made l7 hundred dollars. I remember that clearly because it was the first job. Here is the way we worked at this time. I'll say it was dangerous, one of the fellows would throw the milk in the side window by the side window, I mean the big window, the can will go right through the partition and one guy will go in and hand out the bolts of silk and one guy will stay on the corner. We usually were four but sometimes five because we couldn't get rid of the fifth man. We didn't want to embarrass anyone. Actually the fifth one was in the way. Before we went out we would take the rear seat out of the car so as to put plenty of goods in the car, especially
1 Dominick "the Gap" Petrelli served as Valachi's Mafia mentor.
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- 46 - to pull over to that store, so he did. I got out of the car without looking around for any cop and in kicked the door window right through and I went inside and his brother followed me in the store, but when we came out with the suits in our arms Dan was gone. We stood there looking at one another. In the meantime Dan came back. He said that he went all around the block. He was all excited and he was shaking so much that he could not change gears. All of a sudden I saw a cop sneaking up from building to building. I said to Dan, don't get excited be calm and I jumped on the running board. I told him that a cop was coming. The moment I mentioned a cop he went crazy. When I saw that he was that way I just walked away from the car and he pulled away, but he seemed to have trouble changing speeds and the cop was running towards the car. I took off. Next day I read in the newspaper that they both were arrested, in a few days they came out on bail. So when I saw them around the neighborhood the young brother gave me credit for taking off. He knew that his brother was the cause of his arrest. Again I realized how important a driver was so I started to practice some more. I ...
- 47 - was a sharp curve and I would start to 25 miles an hour. Then I would start at 30 miles an hour and so on. Then I would back up, say about 15 miles an hour and then 20 miles an hour and so on. The idea of backing up was in case sometimes I got caught in a dead end street I would back up and the idea was to back up fast and have the car in control at all times. One had to think of everything. We got so many chases from the police that they started to call us minute men. When we got picked up at 104th Street Station they used to tell me that they'll get me yet. By this time they knew what we were doing but they got nothing on us, that is what they used to tell me. I would tell them you keep picking me up and we are going to rob the stores on your precinct and they would say good this way we can get you, so not long after that we did a job at ll4th Street and Second Avenue which was their precinct. But I stayed away from the block and I started to hang out in another precinct a few days after Frank's Cloth Shop was robbed. We robbed a suit store which had the best suits in the neighborhood, they were 3G cloth and they went so fast for $20 a suit. We got about one hundred suits. Right away they
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- 93 - went home. That morning about 9 o'clock in the morning someone came to my house to tell me that the Gap had crashed on all the places on First Ave. at lO8th St. He said he hit a lamp post at 75 miles an hour. He said there were four of them and they didn't know who the other guys were. So I said ... I told the kid that I had gotten off the car somewhere in the Bronx I told him I knew the other three guys. I asked if any of the other guys died and he said he didn't know. That afternoon it was all over the newspapers and the picture of the crash was in the papers, and in a week's time they had the Gap charged for the murder of Dot King as she was an actress that had been killed and robbed. I knew the Gap did not do it so I figured that the police wanted to get this murder off the books in case the Gap dies. It showed the Gap being identified although his face was all bandaged up and all you could see was his eyes. He stayed in the hospital about 8 months after he came out of the hospital he was put in the Tombs Prison and got bail put on him. Then he had to go on trial and I remember he got ex-Judge Groal for his lawyer. Well as I said he was identified in the hospital but after the jurors got the case they came out with a verdict of not guilty. Now
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- 146 - asked me if I was taking Dolly with me. I said yes. Gee they will say I know him from the outside. Then I will say well talk to him. Well the ten days were up and I got Dolly a job up in the dormitory without paying anyone as I became very close with the Principal Keeper, so I asked the P.K. as Dom had gone home and I didn't have anyone yet, so it was easy. Now Dolly comes to work in the dormitory and in a few weeks a friend of Dolly's comes in and Dolly asked me about getting this fellow to come up in the dormitory. Dolly knew that I knew him now I knew we were to get more men to come to work in the dormitory because it was hard to keep clean. Dom kept it to two men as he didn't want to mingle with anyone. Knowing this fellow was just a fellow from the neighborhood and didn't have any ties with anyone and he was a nobody I agreed. In the time that I was already in Sing Sing before Dolly came in I got close with an old timer, his name was Alexander Venero.1 He was one of the leaders of the Navy Street mob from Brooklyn and he was Naples and he had killed one of Ciro Terravoa's2 brothers that came from East 107th St. At his time they were killing one another. They were fighting the Sicilians, the reason why they killed Ciro's brother was because they had killed a man ...
1 Valachi was referring to jailed Brooklyn Camorra leader Alessandro Vollero.
2 Valachi misspelled the name of Ciro Terranova.
- 147 - workman and for that he wanted to get one of the bosses. So Alex and George Pelligrino, which was also at Sing Sing at this time, they sent for Nick Morello which was Ciro's brother, they used both names,1 so Nick brought along another guy and they went to meet Alex in Brooklyn. They both died. Now I don t remember in whose funeral they were but the Police arrested 100 men at this funeral. So a couple of Naples guys opened up and George Pelligrino and Alex and a couple of more were con- victed. Now of all the guys that were convicted one of them didn't get caught at all, but he was known, so after l2 years he, Louie the shoe- maker,2 gave himself up. Now it was in all the papers. So Alex told me that everything will be OK as Louie the Shoemaker had put up fifty thousand dollars, to make it short, Louie the Shoemaker burned in the Electric Chair besides losing his $50,000. Alex knew Dolly's brother, he was Naples and he said to Dolly the Sicilians killed him. He started to tell us that you can hang out with a Sicilian 20 years and if you get in a fight with one of his own kind he will go against you. He said before I go home that I should remind him as he wants to have a talk with me. He said we will walk together for a few nights. We used to walk all around
1 Ciro, Nicholas and Vincent Terranova were half-brothers to Mafia leader Giuseppe Morello and sometimes used the Morello surname.
2 Valachi likely was referring to Tony "the Shoemaker" Paretti, who was executed in 1927.
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- 152 - place until the next morning -- the count is made about 5:00 o'clock. Now when the next count comes the guard that counted him at 10:30 ain't there any more, he goes home at 12 o'clock so when the morning count came the guard found the Dummy but by this time God knows where Willie Sutton was. The guard that was on that 10:30 count got fired. This is the low down that the P.K. gave me. Now I'll tell about a guy that Dolly used to see quite often, his name was Pete the Greek and I used to see Dolly talking to another guy, this guy slept on my left in the dormitory, his name was Tony, and he was doing a 20 yr to life sentence and he will always tell me, "Imagine you be going home in a couple of years. Boy if I can get out of here I'll do anything" so I used to say, That's why I was against stickup. You see one mistake and you ruined for the rest of your life and you lucky you didn't die," because he killed a store keeper, he didn't burn because of his age but at this time he was in Sing Sing about 12 years. So one day I was walking with Pete the Greek and he tells me, "I suppose Dolly told you what we have in mind." So I said, "Yes," but I didn't know anything, so he tells me that he is got the guns buried. Boy I almost fainted but I
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- 181 - bundles and we had four. As there was a window in the building and it faced the lot we figured we will put two bundles in each car. We left Spike in the building and Nickie and I went to get the cars. We came to the lot on 42nd St. by this time it was empty as it was about 5 o'clock in the morning. We saw the cop, he was on Eighth Ave. on 42nd St as 42nd St is a very long block. We pulled right in the lot. Spike threw two bundles and I put them in Nickie's car. He pulled away and I got the bundles from Spike and as I put them in the rumble seat of the car and as I came out of the lot Spike came out of the building, got into the car and off we went. 42nd St is a very busy street but the way this store was situated and with an empty apartment and a lot right next to it it was made to order. If it wasn't for the wires they had in the store we would had taken the whole store. That's the first time we did anything like this in that kind of a district. We crashed windows, yes, but never a burglary. We got about 105 suits. As none of us took none of them we sold the swag to Fat West for l0 dollars a suit. We didn't do anything for a week or ten days. Someone found a store up on Dykman St. it was between
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- 275 - Of course, crashing a door in the front of a store is all together different. There is no time and if they not hanging on hangers like they were in this store it is impossible to rob them from the front door. We made about one thousand dollars. Now we hear that a big shot got killed 116 Street between Second and Third or Third and Lexington, I don't remember, his name was Peter Morello, the Clutching Hand. He was a half-brother of Ciro Terranova, also known as Ciro Morello, but I didn't think anything of it. The boys 106 Street, Thirs Ave., didn't say anything. In fact no one in Harlem said anything. It was as though nothing happened but he had a big funeral and he was an old man. As I will go to the Rainbow after this old man got killed, I notice that the boys from 116 Street which were connected with Ciro Morello were staying to themselves and when I saw Frank at the house up at the Van Nest apartment he didn't say anything either. It wasn't long after this, say about a week when Steve came up at the apartment and told me that we were going to some farm and we were going to have a lot of fun. He said I should bring Nickie and
- 276 - I thought that it be long but if we were to go away and it meant trouble that I did not intend to bring May along. I told him that I was going to send her to her mother. He didn't say anything. He gave me the name of the man who owned the farm and he told me that he would call me in a day or so. I told Nickie and Solly and I told them that when I will get the call that I Will call them. I got the call the next day and he, Steve, told me that we should be there the following day. We went there the following day and there was about ten or so other guys. Some of them I didn't know, but we all got to meet one another and we had a lot of fun. They were killing all the chicken and all the pigeons and the guy was blowing his top but laughing at the same time. He seem to be a nice fellow, his name was Tom. They had all kinds of gund, there were shotguns, pumpguns, rifles and even small guns. After fooling around with all the guns we washed up and we had something to eat and after we ate we sat around and everyone was telling stories. We broke it up about 8 o'clock that night and We left. Now as this was in the heart of the summer they told us that some of the boys were to a country club up in the Mountain and Gap was ...
- 277 - two weeks. I said OK when are you ready he said in a few days. I asked if Solly knew he said yes. I wanted to know if Solly was going to bring his gal he said yes and so is he. Then I'll tell May that I'm taking her to the country. He said yes. In a couple of days we were on our way to the country. I'm trying to remember the place but I can't. Well it was a swell place and it was a Jewish Country Club and the board was 50 dollars a week in those days it was a lot of money. The first day we got there it was about 4 o'clock in the morning. We got our rooms and at about 9 o'clock that morning they threw Dottie, Solly's girl, out of her bed as she had gotten a room on the ground floor and all the guest at least most of them were there as she landed right on the grass and she was in her stepins. Believe me I heard it was a riot as I did not see it because I was asleep. The boss of this place called us all in and he wanted to give us our money back and more with it if we will leave. He said that it had nice people and we will ruin him. As I was writing I remember the name of this Country Club, it was the Livingston Manor Country Club. The next thing we started to complain was about the food so We got in with some of the guest and we
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- 279 - to call the police but we calmed him down and we told him that most of us were going away. Gap and I went away when our rent was due for the week. Gap was talking about a farm that he knew besides being a nice farm he said you will be surprised to see how much they charge. He said he had been to this Farm the year before they give you all the food you want not that we were worrying about foot. He was saying how free they were with everything. He said it was in Port Jerris, the highest point, so we left and went to the farm when I got there I was shocked how clean the place was, we got our room and when she said $15 a week I could hardly believe it. That is $15 a person. So we decided to stay two weeks. We went swimming, horseback riding and rested a lot. After the two weeks were up we looked in the best of health. Gap had a flashy Packard and it was a touring car and it was a loud green and that was the car we used. We came back sometime in the early part of September. All the time we were away we did not talk about anything not one word. When I got back on the way I saw a fine store in Jersey and I told the Gap that it look as though that I'll be back in this town and he laughed
- 280 - talked about in the month that we were away. Now I am only back a couple of days when I hear that the greaseball that I had met with the handlebars in the Midtown Bar a few months before had got killed. He was killed in his office somewhere downtown. Now I met Steve as he came to the Van Nest apartment and he tell me that they are going to have a meet somewhere in Staten Island the purpose for the meet is that they don't know who is killing these guys. Now we got to go on this meet Steve goes on to say. I want you, Solly and Nickie to come. You three will be watching over us. I told him that I didn't understand. He said I may as well tell you we killed the Clutching Hand and we just killed Joe Pingola. I said what do you mean by we. He said what's the difference who does the killing we are all responsible so I said explain to me about this meeting in Statten Island. He said listen careful, we are fighting Joe the boss, now Joe the Bodd killed our boss then he put this guy Joe Pinzola in his place without us having any- thing to say about it, so we killed him. Now they are calling a meet they figure that whoever don't show up is guilty, but we are
- 281 - throw the suspicion off of us and you want us three to come to this meet. He said yes but you can't come inside you three stay outside and wait for us to come out. I said we are here to do what you want us to do, but when the Gap heard what Steve told me and that he wanted us to go to Statten Island he blew his top and he, the Gap, told me not to listen to that bug. Gap said you guys can't come to the meeting first of all by your guys coming they Will know that you guys are with us. I see I said I ain't going to listen to Steve any more and when he tells me something I'm going to tell him to see you. No he said use a little oil with him and just yes him that's all he means well but he is a bug. Now Steve come and see me again and he tells me that we not going to Staten Island. He said that they going in a few days now. I asked him just what could happen at this meet. He said if they are wise to us we don't come back. I asked what make you say that. Well he said after all they could had called this meeting for two reasons, of course, I told you the first reason then on the other hand they may have found out something now when we get there they will get hold of us after all we ain't many, we are about eight or nine, they ...
- 282 - Sure he said. Gee I said I'll be on edge before you guys come back. That's why we changed our mind about taking you guys he said. Well I said why don't you guys just don't show up and just start to fight. No he said we could do more damage on the sly than going in the opening. I see I said, well I wish you all luck. OK he said I'll see you when I come back. Now I go to the Rainbow and the Gap and Bobby are there and they felt that there is nosense of talking about anything until we get back from that meet so let's have a good time and enjoy ourselves. Bobby asked the Gap if he wanted to go downtown with him and the Gap said its a good idea but not Joe, we leave him here. Its too close to that meet someone might see us down there and we will burn Joe. I didn't go anywhere those few days as now I know the meaning of the meet and I realized it is a very important meet so I just couldn't do anything so I went home that night after they went downtown. A few days passed and the meet in Staten Island was over and they were very happy and the way it was put to me was that they, Joe the Boss, are in the dark as to who killed Joe Pinzola and Peter Morello. Now they tell me that Peter Morello was the Boss of all Bosses. Now Steve is coming around a lot and he tells me now you see why I've
- 283 - find the rooms and when I do I'll come over so don't look around for any rooms. I said OK. Now I saw Bobby and the Gap up at the Rainbow and I told them about what Steve told me about him looking for rooms for me. Bobby spoke and he said this time pay attention to Steve. He has an address of one of the bosses that we want to get and we want to get rooms in the same building where this boss lives. Oh I said will they use my apartment to get this guy. No he said they want to get an apartment across the court of where this boss lives. I think he said that it is on Pelham Parkway. You see from your apart- ment when you move there they will be able to see Who goes and see this boss he is a partner of Joe the Bess and there might be a chance of getting Joe the Boss of not then we will get him. I don't know his name but I know what they call him in Italian and it is a very hard name what's the difference he said as long as we will get him. We stayed in the Rainbow until it closed and then we went for breakfast in Rudie's and Gap asked me to drive Bobby home as he lives in Forham and from there I can go through the Park to Van Nest Ave. The next day Steve came over the house and he tells me that he found the rooms and that he wanted my girl to go and rent the
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- 285 - but I let May take one of the bedroom as I knew she did not like her bedroom over at her mother's house. Steve used the apartment for about two weeks before I was told to go over to the apartment. I was told that Steve will introduce me to the boys that were going to stay there with me. When I got to the apartment it was in fine shape, everything was in order, there I met Joe Profaci the doc, Buster and Nick Capuzzi. They acted very nice and they were very respectful and I got interested in them right away. Well as long as no one knew anything about me joining these guys I kept going around the neighbor- hood and also to the Rainbow Garden. The time that I spent with these guys they were starting to tell me a lot of stories. First they told me that Joe the Boss Masseria had sentenced them all to death because they were Castellamarise. Now I will try to explain just what this meant. It is a certain small country in Italy and as everyone knows that there are all difference dialects in the Italian language, in other words, I will tell the difference between the Sicilian and myself. I am from Naples that is my people were, and I don't understand the Sicilian language as I do my own. They didn't tell me why they were sentenced to death but they tell me that the little that they were they
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- 287 - husband killed and then he married her but he knew for sure that she was unhappy. Then they were explaining if a member had made a lot of money, Joe the Boss will send for him and he will tax him so much and if the guy refused he will be a dead duck. Every now and then I will say that I was getting discouraged and I felt like disappearing and they will tell me that we are going to get rid of these guys, all of them. Joe Profaci was doing most of the talking. I must say although I was staying at this apartment I was still going out on a burglary as I always wanted to have some money in my pocket. As these boys didn't have much money and everytime I left the apartment I will come back with plenty of groceries, I would spend about 30 or 40 dollars, and they seemed to look forward to it. I will tell them about what I was doing and they would look and did not understand. I had seen a swell dress store on Pelham Parkway and Buster always told me not to rob that store as we were too close to the apartment. I'll say the apartment was about a half block away. Now while Buster was by the window Joe was telling me about Buster. He told me that Buster came from Chicago and that the mob had killed someone in Buster's family, I don't remember just who, but that Buster had gone on the warpath all by himself and that he had ? about six of them and the mob will give anything to get
- 288 - hold of him. He is Castellamarese and that's why the old man got him to join in with us. Buster was only 22 years old but he was Italian bred and he was a very serious young man, he was about 6 feet tall and very handsome and he was a sharpshooter. The rest of them were in trouble because of their nationality. Now as things were going along fine, one Sunday afternoon they spotted this guy was sitting on the bench in front of the building. I'll say we were at this apartment about seven weeks when two guys came up to the apartment and wanted Buster and I to go downstairs, and when we did go down there was a car around the corner and Joe Palisades and Solly Shields - they said they had orders to shoot this guy that was sitting on the bench which was the boss that lived in the building. I will not say his name yet as later on I will explain why. They wanted me to drive and Buster to do the shooting. I said that I will not drive as I'm sure that the doorman will wave at me as the man was sitting right in front of the doorman. I told them that you both know how to drive and why should I jeopardize myself. They admitted that they weren't sure of themselves at the wheel as they never drove under fire before. Then I said why do we need you two guys to sit in the car if Buster and I is going to take care of this. I said I ain't going to drive
- 289 - not when two of you guys are here and are only in the way. So Buster said I'll tell you what we will do. You drive and if the doorman should wave at you I promise you that I won't do anything. I said OK, I promise you that if the doorman wave at me which he always does when he sees me I'll jerk the car and I will take your aim away from you. Buster said OK. So I said let's both of us go why should I drive with four in the car. Joe and Sol said we are here now where are we going to go if it is done you and Buster will go a few blocks with us and then you will both get out of the car and we will go and tell them that it was taken care of. I said OK jump in and let's go. So I drove as we got near the man Buster was taking good aim and I looked towards the doorman and everyone saw him wave at me and I waved back at him. Buster put down his gun and I pulled over at the next street and I told Joe to report anything he wanted and if there was any penalties for what I did I'm ready. The same night Buster went and see the old man at his headquarter which was in Long Island. At this time as he slept there overnight and came back the next day and he had brought back the news what the other fellows predicted that were staying in the apartment that the old man had gave me credit for what I did and the other two got repremanded very
- 290 - hard and he said that they should be ashamed of themselves, of course, I made bad friends, but what did I care, it was better than being arrested. Remember at this time I did not know the old man and he did not know me, but he knew my name. Buster did not have any use for these two guys and as this was the first time he had met them he did not care to meet them again. Now is the way he felt in an emergency like that anyone could had driven, they didn't want to shoot and they didn't want to drive, why did they come at all. They both stink as far as I'm concerned and everyone in the room felt the same way. Now Buster and I started to get very close. I continued to go out with the boys and rob stores and I was letting them eat like kings. All the money that they were getting for four or five of us was $50 a week. Buster and I was starting to go here and there but nothing was happening and I started to stay away for days at a time and when I do get back they will be so happy to see me. Now I remember that a grocery guy owned me about $800 and all I can get out of him was a twenty dollar bill every time I went there, so I told Buster that I was thinking about this grocery guy and as long as we were going to be away for a long time I'm going to get groceries from him and I will bring them to the
- 291 - apartment so make out a list for me and put everything their hearts desire. They gave me a list and they had all kinds of cheese and all kinds of Italian hams and sausages and tomatoes and spaghetti and olive oil. When I got all this stuff the bill was 70 dollars. I must say that while we were here at the Pelham Parkway apartment things were going on elsewhere but we weren't getting the report yet, and as far as I and the people that I was with we were still working under the table. Now as I understand the 50 dollars a week was cut down as they had lost a man that was sending them $5,000 a week. This man was killed in Chicago, his name was Joe Aranillo, and he was killed by the Capone mob. Now they go on and explain to me all the mob that we are fighting, Al Capone in Chicago, Joe the Boss in New York, Ciro Morello, which of course lost his half brother as I said in the early part of this story, Charlie Lucky and Vito Genovese, Joe Adonis, Willie Moore, in fact everyone was with Joe the Boss, he was the big man and many more too numerous to mention and I will talk about them as I go on. People of the City of New York should remember these names and they were constantly in the headlines in the Thirties, especially Dutch Schutlz, he was a partner of Ciro Morello.
- 292 - Now they had gave us a picture of Joe the "Boss and we were told that we will never be able to go back as long as this man is still alive. If this man lives and we should make up and have peace he will kill us all, that's the way the boys told me and that is the way I am telling it to you now. As we were at the Pelham Parkway apartment, say about 2 months, as I said that I was going here and there with Buster, we went somewhere and as we had done nothing wherever we went I don't remember now he was driving me home and as he had to go somewhere he left me off at the corner of Pelham Parkway apartment, as Buster pulled away and as I was walking toward the entrance of the building a car pulled up right in front of me and as Joe the Boss was about 5 feet tall as I was told I could not miss when I saw him get out of the car and the fellow that lived across the street was with him, as this was a Jewish neighborhood and I look so much Italian they made me pass and they follow me in the building and as I knew that I had to turn to the right of the building to go to the apartment where I lived and I saw by the ball of my eye that they were right behind me and they were looking me over and as I had heard that Joe the Boss had plenty of nerve I got
- 293 - a little worried but not scared as I had a gun in my pocket and I had my hand on the gun all the time and they had their hand on their own gun. I could see, now I go into the elevator as it was a self service I waited for them to press the button to their ?oor. I didn't want it to appear that I knew that they came from across the court. They motion to me to press the button as to the floor where I was going. I thought very fast and I pressed the button for the sixth ?oor as I didn't want them to see where I was going. Now when I got to the sixth floor they stayed in the elevator. I came out never taking my eyes off them and I ran down to my apartment and I was ringing very, very hard and the door opened fast and I ran in like a deer and yelling "Joe the Boss, Joe the Boss." Now by this time Joe the Boss and the other guy had to cross the court to get to their apartment. By this time the guy at the window came running over and he was yelling, "He is right, he is right. I just saw him cross the court, the both of them, come on get ready, get ready. "They were putting the machine gun together. Now right away I realized I was in trouble. I asked what are you going to do they said Joe this will be the end of the war and he is so important we can't pass him up. I was going crazy and I was saying we don't need
- 294 - to do it from here we can go downstairs when they come out of their apartment. All they were saying don't worry about nothing and I was saying that I had done time twice and I don't believe in this kind of stuff. I got everything in this apartment, my pictures are all over the joint. So I was telling Buster can't you make believe that you didn't see him and all this kind of talk. Now I see it was getting dark and they weren't coming out so I was saying Buster I'm no actor, I hope that they won't come out. This way they can get another apartment across the court. Buster said I hope that they don't come out for your sake but I can't pass him by. Now it is about 11 o'clock and they didn't come out and besides the lights went out across the court so I was so happy I told Buster and the boys now that we have the whole night one of guys get in touch with the old man and let him know how I feel. Tell him that I was away twice. I'm sure when he hears what a fix I'm in the worse he will do is tell us to go after them when they would get into their car that will take the responsibility away from me after all we were not to do anything from this apartment. I can't take everything out of this apartment, it is impossible there will be too much evidence left behind. There are ...
- 295 - So one guy did leave, I know it was not Buster, but I really don't remember which one. We stayed up most of the night and I went to sleep the next thing I know that someone woke me and was happy as he did because he was yelling wake up Joe, wake up Joe, we are going to leave. So I asked what happened, he said I don't know how they did it but they have another apartment across the court and it is on the ground floor, boy was I happy. Well as long as everyone left the apartment as they all went across the court in the other apartment I dressed up and I left and I went to Harlem. I went to Nickie's house and I spend all afternoon there. Well I don't remember how, but we found out they had got two guys. I didn't know who but me knew it was two bosses We also knew that they did not get Joe the Boss. Nickie and I started to figure out what was best for me to do. I had told Nickie what I had gone through the night before. Gee Nickie said its a good thing that they got the other apartment or I will had been in some fix. I told Nickie that I'm going to put the furniture in storage as I don't want to go through anything like I went through the night before. Well after we got thinking as what is best for me to do Nickie suggested
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- 297 - show it and I didn't tell him anything as to what I was doing as it would had made no sense to him anyway. Well they told me that if he wasn't in the hole I could had seen him again the next day. I left that night and I was on my way back to New York City. Now I am anxious to get back so I was driving back very fast and I got back in two days but before I came in the City I stopped somewhere, I don't remember where, but I was so tired I want to sleep in some motel and I slept for about 10 hours. I got around in the neighborhood in Harlem and I went to Lexington Ave., at 110 Street, I figure that I need not worry about Chuck as I came on a surprise. I'll say that I was walking up and down the Ave. about an hour as there wasn't a soul around when a car pulled up and Chic 99 as this was his nickname called me and waving his hand fast he tole me to jump in and asked me how long I was on the former of 110 Street. I said about an hour he said you don't know how lucky you are and he asked me where was my car parked and I told him around the corner at 109 Street between Lexington and Park Ave. He told the driver to drive there and he did not talk any more until we got to my car. We got out the car and we got into mine and he told me to head for the Bronx and as we are riding toward the
- 298 - Bronx , he explain everything. He said that we got two bosses and he tells me their names they were Alfred Mineo and Steve Ferrigono. Now he goes on to tell me that they had a meet at the Pelham Parkway Apartment, all told he said they were about twenty of them and that afternoon they were breaking up the meet and they were coming out of the apartment in pairs two at a time every five minutes two will come out. Now they let a lot of guys go by, now these two bosses come out they didn't want to take a chance and let these two bosses go by if they knew for sure if Joe the 'Boss will come out they will had let these two bosses go by but they figure that let's drop these two or we may get nothing at all. Now we find out Joe the Boss was there and he was going to be the last one out. So he got away. So I asked him did they get the guy that lived there, he said yes he was one of them. Then I asked how did the wife react as I was told that she will be happy, was she happy, he said I know both of them, she was so happy that she is going back to Italy. 99 was an old timer. Now he tells me you know what happened you see they had a meeting as we did not know anything about it. Now you saw Joe the Boss by accident but they ?gure that one of them gave a tip on this meet now they don't trust one another, that's
- 299 - makes it good for us he said then I said this turned out good for Solly and Joe. If we would had gotten that guy that Sunday we would had not got this break. Why does it make it good for them they already said its a good thing that Joe refused to do the job the day the doorman waved at Joe. What thost two guys did is not forgotten. He said what are they kidding in a case like that they make you drive the car. The old man doesn't want to know Joe Palisades any more. The other guy is a kid so we overlook it. All this time I am driving very slowly as we are headed all the way up in the Bronx. Now I asked him how did they get wise to us. Oh he said my sister is the one who rented the apartment downstairs across the court from where you were now we had to get furniture in there as we had told the doorman that this was an emergency that we had the furniture on the truck. Now we had to get the furniture right away so we went to a guy that we know and we went 106 Street, Third Ave., because we knew that he will deliver it right away. Now the other mob have connection with the police after all they are nobody's fools so when they went 106 Street the guy got scared and told them that I was the guy that went in there and bought the furniture and he even told them that my sister was with me. Then I
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- 304 - house. We were four of us, Solly, Nickie, Chic 99 and myself. Now as we walk in the house Buster and the Doc came right over and shake hands with us and Buster brought me to meet Salvatore Maranzano, as this was the first time I had met him. He told me to sit right next to him on his right and I said hello to everybody as it was too much trouble to go all around and shake hands and as the table was all set to eat. They had ordered for the spaghetti to be thrown into the boiling water and Mr. Marnazano asked everyone to stand up and he went on to explain that everyone make himself at home and after we eat we will all meet one another as this is a sort of get together meet. All told, I say we were about forty. It was a very large room and it looked as though that two rooms were broken down and made into one. We all started to eat it look as though that everyone was hungry. We had whiskey and wine on the table but no one seem to be drinking. After the supper was over they introduced all of Maranzano's men to Tom Gagliano's men. Now I find out that Tom Gagliano was the man on whose farm we were when we went and practice with the guns. I spoke about when we were on the farm, in the earlier part of this story. Mr. Maranzano spoke to me on the side and he was telling me about the Pelham Parkway apartment that he was very happy the way
- 305 - things turned out and that he was proud of me being so alerted in spotting Joe the Boss and the way I handled the situation when I met them in the elevator. I'll mention the important people that were here at this meeting, besides Mr. Maranzano there was Tom Gagalino, Joe Profaci, Joe Pasisades, Tom Lucheese, Joe Bonanno, Bobby Boyle, the Gap, also known as Dominick Petrilli, Nick Cappazzi, Nick Padovana, Salvatore Schillitani, alias Solly Schields, the Doc, Steve Rinelli, Charley Buffalo, and Buster. I never knew Buster's real name. He died early and young. After the supper we all had coffee and then they excused themselves and we were led into another room and after five minutes I was the first one to be called. I went in the room and they were all standing by their chair and I walked to the right of the room. I was directed to sit next to Mr. Maramzarro, and on the table there was a gun and a knife. Well he said some words in Italian which I did not understand, but I know what it meant. It meant that you live by the gun and the knife and you die by the gun and the knife. Then he gave me a piece of paper and he said that he will burn it and I shall push it back and forth and I shall say as I do it this is the way I shall burn if I ever expose this Cosa Nostra and then he went on to explain to important rules as there are more but this being time of war he only explained the
- 306 - two most important ones and later on I will tell of all the rules. The two important rules he explained at this time were(one) if you fool around with a member's wife or any part of his family there is no defense for you and the same goes for squealing. Now this doesn't mean that you can go and fool around with anyone else's wife, they don't encourage you to do just that, the idea is that an outsider who would like to press charges against you for doing just that sort of thing he won't know where to make a beef against you unless he has a friend who is a member. In the old days the way I was made to understand, if a member was married and he had a sweetheart he was in plenty to trouble but the bosses developed a habit if they fell for a member's wife he would have the husband killed whether she like it or not. There were not many of these doings but the few that there were that I know of I will talk about it as I go on. One I already told you about, that was the one who got killed on Palham Parkway. The last thing that was done before you were made a member was to draw a little blood from your shooting finger with a needle or a pin which meant now we are brothers and after it was all over everyone stood by their chairs and held hands again something was said in Italian, again I did not understand. Now as long as I am on the subject of making friends of ours as this is the way
- 307 - the expression is used when you introduce one friend to another friend, for instance I meet a friend and I am with another friend and I know that the guy I met is a member and the guy that I'm With don't know the guy we just met I will introduce him in this expression, I will say Hello Jim meet John he is a friend of ours but if he is just a friend and is not a member I would say John meet Jim, he is a friend of mine. The fellow that I am with would understand that the fellow that I introduces him to is not a member, he is just a friend. Now the reason why I brought this out and I am going ahead of my story is that I want to explain to the reader the difference between a member and a non-member. Now in the old days in normal times if a member brought a new man in the Cosa Nostra he would be responsible for any wrong doings. He will kill him if necessary. Now I want to explain about a new man I brought in the Cosa Nostra in 1957 or 1958 and Vito Genovese was the Boss. He was supposed to tell the man that Joe is standing up for you and if you do anything wrong Joe is responsible for you. Instead this is the way Vito brought it out, someone gave me your name and is responsible for you. The idea of this was to belittle me. Vito thought I didn't understand this move. This is the way they steal friends away from you. It was so raw that Joe Pagano remarked to me what was the
- 308 - idea of that I thought that you were responsible for me. As this was the fellow that I personally brought into Cosa Nostra and the last one. Well I walked away from Joe and said you heard it. Now I go on with my story. Now we leave the country and come back to New York City and I was placed in another apartment on Bronx River Parkway now as I have a personal grudge against Joe Rao as I found out he was the one who put me in trouble in 1924. He was the one who accused me of driving the car for the Irish mob. A telephone call comes in the apartment that Joe Rao and Big Dick are at the Pompei Restaurant, the call came about four o'clock in the morning. Solly Shields insisted on coming with me. We got to the Pompei restaurant at 125 Street and Seventh Ave. at about 5:30 in the morning and when we reached 126 Street on Seventh Ave. I asked Solly to drive the car as this was a personal grudge. He said that he will not take a chance at the wheel. Now as it was daytime we could see clear and when I saw Joe Rao and Doc Stretched and a lady enter the Pierce-Arrow that Joe Rao owned. Joe was the first to get into the car, the lady was next and Doc was not in the car yet when I got there and I pulled say about two feet away from the Pierce-Arrow right alongside. I waved Doc
- 309 - away and he stopped short and I told Solly to go ahead and shoot him as he had the shotgun in his hands. As Solly was aiming his gun and it was not shooting but his feet were tapping a mile a minute by this time Joe had thrown the girl out of the car and he was on the run. I went for the gun that was on the seat of the car and I fired four shots at Joe Rao and I hit him in the buttocks, once. Now as I pull away I'm asking Solly what happened as if I didn't know that he froze but I wanted to hear what he had to say. He said that the safety was on the gun. I said what are you kidding. I opened the safety when we stopped at 126 Street, didn't I tell you that the gun was ready to fire. He didn't know what else to say the next day we got another phone call and this time Solly, Nickie and I went at 138 and 139 Street and St. Anne Ave. and there we say the guy that we got the phone call to shoot. Now before I came to a stop Nickie and Solly started to shoot from in the car. The first thing you know that the guy ran in a hallway and got away. Now we go back to the apartment and someone came there and wanted to know what is happening as there were too many misses in two days. I talked to him on the side and I told him to tell Buster and I want to get away from this apartment, I don't want to work with these guys any more. In a couple of days they sent us that is Nickie and I to what we
- 310 - called the haunted house, the reason why we called it the haunted house was because Mr. Maranzano was living there and he moved from there to Yonkers. Now when a boss lives in a house like we called the haunted house that house is dangerous because if one of the guys that had that phone number on his person is caught by the opposite mob, God know how many will come to this house knowing or thinking that the Boss is still there, because it was only a couple of days that Mr. Maranzano had moved from L. I. to Yonkers. Now Nickie and I go into the house, it was a nine room house. Now the idea of us being there was in case someone called for Mr. Maranzano we gill give them a new number to call. Now as I looked the house over I told Nickie that the best thing for us to do at night was to say in one room upstairs and lock ourselves in this way at night they cannot sneak up on us by going from one room into another. I said its best we keep a bucket than jeopardize our lives. Then in the daytime we can see what is going on. He agreed and that is the way we lived there. Now when we were there about a month I got an idea. I told Nickie as he has a girl how about we take turns in going out and meet our girls as for sure both of us cannot go togther as one of us must be there to answer the phone. I said to Nickie you go out one night and I go out the following night, how do
- 311 - you like it, he said fine. I said you go first, He said OK, so I let him go the first night. Now he comes back at 12 o'clock, he said that he could not enjoy himself thinking about me being alone in the big house while he was out enjoying himself. I said Nickie this is no good you make me feel bad. I can't come back at 12 o'clock I just as well don't go anywhere you put me in a spot, that is not fair, I got to go all the way into the Bronx how can I get back here by 12 o'clock. No Nickie I said I ain't going anywhere. Nickie said why don't you make her come to Long Island and I said and if she comes to Long Island how could I get here by 12 o'clock he said Joe about a mile from here there are furnished rooms and as long as I know where you are and if anything goes wrong I can call you. I said its a good idea, I'll call you and I'll give you the phone number of the place where I'm at. I said fine do you know the name of the street where these furnished rooms are he said yes so I picked up the phone and I called May up in the Bronx and I told her to meet at at such and such a street as I'm sure I don't remember where at this time I told her that I will pick her up at seven o'clock sharp. I told her first get a cab then from a cab get on a train and then leave the train and get on a cab again and make sure that she kept her eyes open. So that night I met her at seven o'clock and we went and had
- 312 - the room we had rented earlier. Now about three o'clock in the morning I heard a knock on the door and as I already asked the landlady in advance that if it will be OK if someone came and call me I also told her that I would have a code by knocking on the door so many taps if I wanted to see the party or not after all I had to be careful we were in war for this I gave the landlady an extra five dollars in advance. This is no time to chisel. When I heard the knock and as I was on the ground floor and right in the back room facing the front door I did not know the fellow that came and call for me, now I went to sleep when he left but I did not sleep all night, especially when I called the haunted house and I did not get an answer. Now I was really worried, we stood up most of the night and May was telling me I don't know what you got into but she did not like it. I was agreeing with her all night and I really meant it now after all the troubles I had all these years I still agree with her but its too late now. Now about seven o'clock in the morning another guy came and call me this guy I knew he was the guy that lived in the next house and he knew what it was all about as he was a friend of the guy who owned the house and the guy who owned the house was one of the boys but he was a greaseball and Italian born. I told the landlady that it was OK to let him in and when he came in he asked
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- 314 - to the haunted house. OK Nickie he said, OK. Now the landlady asked rne if everything was alright. I said yes. I gave her some story but I don't remember just what but she was a nice German woman. Three o'clock in the afternoon Nickie called me and I met him and we went back to the haunted house as it started to snow. About seven o'clock that night Buster and another guy came over and Buster and I drove to Yonkers and we left the other guy in the haunted house to keep Nickie company while we drove to Yonkers. I told Buster the truth what really happened and he said to tell the old man as there is nothing wrong with that you did as you did not leave the house alone. I'm sure he won't say anything after all he is got his wife with him and he know that we are young fellows and it ain't your fault if Nickie saw or got scared because he was alone. You were alone the night before so we reached Yonkers and when I got into the house everyone was laughing. What happened Joe you made us come there with three cars. We got a phone call from the guy next door he told us that you guys saw someone and that you both jumped out the window. I said I know that Buster had told me all about it so they asked me were you there when it happened, I said no. So Joe Profaci and the Doc were kidding me and so was Bobby Doyle. Now the old man called me in his room
- 315 - and I told him the story and he said it could happened to anyone so long as you did not leave the house alone. I said I would not do a thing like that so he asked me what shall he do with Nickie. I said its better you let him go with the rest of the Americanized boys and when I am finished with the house in Long Island I would like to come here in Yonkers with you he said OK. I ate there and then Buster and Doc drove me back to Long Island. A couple of days later they sent me another guy to stay with me in Long Island and Nickie went somewhere in the Bronx with the Gap and Solly. The one who replaced Nickie was Joe Palisades Rosato, he was another bargain he would awaken me every half hour and hear all kinds of noise. He lasted about four or five days and they they gave me another guy and this guy used to see all kinds of lights as the house was on the corner and at night when a car made a turn naturally the lights will shine in the house and he also will wake me up as I was a heavy sleeper, these guys could not sleep at night, they will bother me most of the night. His name Was Charlie Scoop. Well it lasted one more week and the haunted house was closed and I went to live in Yonkers. Now while I am at the headquarters I learned quite a lot. First
- 316 - me that after those guys waited into my apartment for about seven weeks he, Bobby Doyle, comes out of the sky and he gets a break the first time he comes. Oh I didn't know that Bobby come to the ground floor apartment sure he said then there was four of them. He said yes but only three did the shooting. Oh I said. Then Steve asked me did Buster tell you the way he ran right into a cop's hands. I said no. Yes he said when Buster came or jump out of the apartment and went around the corner he ran right into a policeman's arms. The cop asked Buster what's the trouble and Buster told him he didn't know he was running because he heard shots. The cop asked where and Buster pointed towards the building and the cop ran towards the building and Buster took off. Oh I see is all I said. Now Steve is telling me that I must go with him as he wants to get Joe Baker in the Forham section of the Bronx. He asked me if I know Joe Baker. I said sure I know him and I like him. Steve said don't let the old man hear that you like him. I said why he said the old man hates him and I said well I didn't mean anything, I just like him and what is that got to do if I like him, after all he is Ciro Morello's nephew if he is got to go he goes what can I do. Well tomorrow you and I will take a ride to 187 Street and Arthur Ave. and see if we can get him. I said ...
- 317 - the old man's room and he told the old man is it OK if I take Joe with me to look for Joe Baker? So the old man asked me if I knew him. I said yes. Then the old man said, "Listen Joe I don't want anyone else hit, all I want is Joe Baker" and then asked me if I knew tham all. "Well," I said, "I know most of them from the days when I was stealing, but I don't know who is connected or is not." "Well," he said, "all I want is Joe Baker, so you need not know. Later on we will tell you who is who." Now I ask Steve why does he want Joe Baker so bad. Well he said Joe Baker used to hijack the old man's alcoholic trucks and he wants to get even. Oh I see, I said. So the next day we went out looking for Joe Baker. I drove around the neighborhood and most of the boys were there but not Joe Baker. Now Steve is asking me if I'm sure if Joe Baker wasn't there. I said yes I was. Now the next day I asked for a faster car as I had a Ford the day before so they gave me the Mormon and it was brand new. This time they made another guy come because he also knew Joe Baker. Now we are three and I drove to 187 Street and the same boys were there but no Joe Baker, so I told Steve see you think I am lying. Well he said I only want to make sure. As we are riding back to Yonkers and we were on Boston Post Road I notice a car tailing us. I told the both of them don't look behind as I think that We are getting a tail. Now
- 318 - as Boston Road is a wide Avenue I told these guys to have a pencil ready and I will make a four corner turn and I will be in back of them and we will take their license number and we will give it to the old man. So that is just what I did. They had a big Lincoln and it was grey and they ran like hell. Now we get back to Yonkers and the old man is waiting for me in front of the house and he has the license plate number of my car in his hands and he tells me that I cannot use the Mormon any more as they took my number. I hand him the other cars number and when he saw I had the right number he hops with joy, especially when he saw that it was a Lincoln. Boy was he happy. He said that is what I like a fellow that is on the job. Then he asked me what happened and I told him and he said they are a bunch of phonies they went back and they reported that they chased me all over the Bronx, as you know he said I have spies among them and I got a call telling me they almost got a couple of my boys but my boys ran away on them. So I said ask these two guys who ran away on who. So he said that he believe me and the proof is that you got their number, good for you he said we were preparing to move again. So I said you need not move now Steve is satisfied and we used the Ford again and in a couple of days we were back on our way to 187 Street and as I passed 187 Streed and I was nearing Third Ave. Steve
- 319 - yelled at me and told me to make a four corner turn as he said he saw a big boss so I asked him if he was sure as I did not know the man so I turned and I pulled right alongside of this big boss. This was also a Lincoln and I sat at the wheel while Steve took aim at the man. Steve had a pump gun and he fired one shot and as he did so the man in the other car went with the shot and threw himself on the floor of his car. Now Steve is yelling with all his might for me to step on the gas. So I told him that he is not hit to take another shot as I figured he is a big boss and it better to finish something that we started but you could not control Steve. He was just yelling step on it. I was dissappointed as these guys talk a good mob and then when the action comes they get all excited so I went about six blocks and I told him to get off the car as I will go back alone. I figured I'll be better off alone as he was insisting that he hit the guy and I did not want to argue with him. Again the old man is waiting for me in front of the house and all the boys were standing there with him and he asked me as I walked in the house who did he tell you the guy was. I said that he told me that the guy was a big boss. The old man told me that he told you wrong that the guy is not even a member. So I said OK you need not worry about it because the guy is OK he wasn't hit and if he did get hit I can rest assure you that he ain't hurt as he went with the shot. ...
- 320 - the old man spoke and then hung up and he ran to me and gave me a hug he said that was one of my spies and he just told me that Paul is alright and I asked who is Paul and he said the guy that Steve hit. Oh I said then I'm right and he said yes and then I said I don't want to work with Steve any more and he said don't worry you won't. He said that he was going to get rid of Steve by sending him on a farm for the rest of the war then I told Buster the way he was yelling and I told Buster that hereafter I want to work with him as I am getting sick with these two guys. I did not want to say anything the other day but when I made that four corner turn on Boston Road I told them to shoot a couple of shots at those guys you see what happened they went back and said that we ran away. So Buster said I was thinking that I wonder why you guys didn't take a couple of shots at those guys so I told him because they were ducking they were afraid that the other guys were going to shoot that's why. If it wasn't for me I said we wouldn't had gotten the plate number neither so you see what I mean. I told Buster what a bad showing we would had made especially Solly I told Buster if we got to go any- where see that he don't come. I see what you mean Buster said. Them guys in the other car I said were no bargain either. I knew two of them I told Buster but I don't know if they are in, meaning in the mob. Now Buster takes ...
- 321 - we met that is how we got together and he went on to tell me about Peter Morello, the guy who got hit on 116 Street. He told me about himself in Chicago how they killed someone in his family and how he was fighting them all by himself and how the old man got in touch with him and asked him to join in with him in this war and how they got the clutching hand. He said that there was a deal made between Steve Rannelli and the old man. He said you guys went out to war against Joe the Boss and at the same time we went out to war against Joe the Boss. Buster I said all I know is that I was asked to get about a half dozen guys and that we were going to war against Ciro Morello and that is all I know and they told me that the odds is against us and if we win that we will be in good shape now you tell me that you guys did not start together with these guys. He said no Joe the Boss sentenced all my nationality to death so we got together and we are fighting them, what would we have to lose we going to die anyway. I see I said how did you guys get together with these guys that I'm with. Let me understand it straight, you see your boss is Tom Gagaliano they killed his boss for nothing and they put another boss in his place you know about that. I said yes you guys killed the new boss that they put there you know that Bobby Doyle killed him don't you. I said yes. Now Buster tells me that he Buster killed another boss but I don't
- 322 - remember who he told me although he told me, so you guys knew that they did not kill him so you guys figured that there is someone else doing this and they made their business to find out who is doing it, and as Steve Ranelli knew the old man he found out that it was us that was doing it. Some how he got in touch with the old man and they made a deal between them, after all they got to be sure of one another, so your people gave us a name for us to kill and the old man gave Tom Gagaliano a name for you guy to kill and when that was done we got together and now we are working as a team and we are all one. So I asked when this is over I could come with you if I want he said sure you can so I asked him how do you feel about me coming with you he said I hope so. Now we are told to go to Frank Scalise house, as the old man explained to us that the fellow that Steve shot on 187 Street turned out for the best as his brother is a Cosa Nostra member and as long as it did not turn out to be a serious wound and that he only got a little of his ear cut off they are willing to come on our side. Now I want four of you guys to go and see what he has in mind. He said I want you all to be very careful I know he means well but I ain't taking any chances so Buster, Joe, the Doc and Solly, you guys go and the Doc will do all the talking. So we went to Frank's house and it was way up in the Bronx but I don't remember. As Frank was alone at his house he
- 323 - greeted us pretty nice so he talk to the Doc on the side and we had coffee and we left in about an hour and on the way back the Doc told us that Frank wants to get Joe Baker for the old man to prove that he is sincere, so when we got back to Yonkers and the Doc explained everything to the old man, the old man said that he will give Frank only two weeks for him to get Joe Baker and when the two weeks are up he will take personal charge of Joe Baker. Well the two weeks were up and nothing happened. Now I understand that they going to get an apartment in the heart of Forham and the apartment is going to be used to get Joe Baker and as I know who Joe Baker is I am one of the guys to go. Buster, Nick Capazzi and Solly, and as Solly knows who Joe Baker is the old man figures that it is better four eyes than two. Now we are awaken one night and it was four o'clock in the morning and we were told to go to a certain address and a certain apartment on Crescent Ave. at 187 Street, which is across the street from an office that Joe Baker goes. Well we found the empty apartment and it was on the top floor. The first day we went we stayed there until it got dark and then we will leave. Now the second day we got up at four o'clock again and we parked the Ford in another block and again we went into the apartment and Joe Baker showed up as he went into the office he picked up something and as the
- 324 - office was about 8 feet from the corner he will pick up something and he will walk that eight feet and he will turn the corner and this was his routine every morning at the same time, say about 9 o'clock in the morning. Some how they found out what he will pick up will pick up some money every morning and he will go to the bank. Now every time Joe showed up Buster will take aim and by the time he was set to pull the trigger Joe is making his turn. Now this was going on all the time. We went there every day but Sunday. Now I was always thinking that if these guys should find out that we are going to this apartment they will blow us out of there. Now as we were watching across the street we were taking every car number that stopped in front of that office. We even saw the car that tried to tail us that day on Boston Road. So that's all that was going on a few times Joe Profaci was coming to see what it was all about and all we will be doing all day will be just telling stories and talking about the Family, what I mean about the Family, it was not my family, I mean the Family mob. Gee Joe Profaci sure was telling me everything there was to know about our Family. Now we are going there about 5, 6, 7 weeks, I don't remember so one day I was telling the one in charge that someday they are going to catch up with us. I was telling them that you guys don't know as you are not from New York, this is one of their main hangouts and we are
- 325 - taking too many chances going in and out of here one day they will spot us and I can't say that you will see what will happen because if they do find out about us we won't be around to know what happened. So I said that I have an idea but I'm afraid to talk. I think it was Nick that had charge so I told them that we are not going to do anything here no matter how long we come here so here is what I like to do -- this guy come every day and he never missed is that right. They said that's right. So I said I suggest that we will go to the apartment on the first floor and we will stick up the people, say we go in there about 8 o'clock in the morning and we will have about an hour to wait when Joe shows up then you could shoot him. If we blow it by Joe not showing up you ain't blowing anything because you ain't going to do anything any way. So Nick said that he will take it up with the old man tonight and see what he says. So I said make sure that you tell him your opinion and make him understand that there is very little hope of doing anything from this apartment. So Nick said the old man will want to talk to you if he wants to know I'm sure he will want to talk to you. So that night the old man called me in his room and I explained everything to him. He told me to go ahead and take a chance. I'm getting worried about you guys so tell me what you need. I said that I need two springs from a truck and that one of them is got to be very sharp. I'm
- 326 - afraid to tap on the door as people are not opening any doors so freely, that's why I want tools. Well that day when the old man spoke to me in the wee hours of the morning we didn't even go back to the apartment on the top ?oor because they had to get the tools for me. The next morning we got up four o'clock in the morning and Bobby Doyle came over and asked me if I knew what I was doing. He said I am going to look bad if I fail. I said I am not going to look bad because the old man himself is disgusted as we are going there too long and if we do blow it we ain't blowing anything because you ain't going to do anything anyway. So that morning we went to the top floor apartment and we waited until eight o'clock and we went downstairs, Solly and I, and I jimmied the door opened and when we walked into the apartment as it had a long hall. To our surprise we found three painters. They were painting the empty rooms. We had the guns in our hands and they wanted to give us their money and I told them that we did not want their money, just go on painting to way you were doing and everyone will be happy and no one will bother you and I sent Solly to go and call the other two guys and that they should make sure that their guns are all set before they come down as Solly went up- stairs one of the painters called me and told me that he is a friend of Joe Baker and that Joe Baker himself had rented this apartment. So I told him don't worry
- 327 - about anything as he won't see Joe Baker any more. So he looked at me wondering what I had said, I could see that he was puzzled. Now I was looking across the street and I could see very clear straight ahead and that was where the office was. Now the other two came down and they had their guns ready and about 9 o'clock Joe came and he went into the office and when he opened the door of the office is the time that I left. I left so that I can have the car started and be ready to go just as soon as they will come. I'll be fair and say that I cannot remember if I heard the shots or not. All I know that I had to have the car ready when they come. I was in the car less than a minute when they came. They got into the car and I went about 6 or 7 blocks and I left two guys off the car and I was on my way to Yonkers. Now Solly was telling me as we were on our way to Yonkers that he felt bad because Joe Baker came out of the office and as he reached the corner his wife met him and she handed him something and they kissed and he went the other way and the wife just stayed there and was watching him go when Buster had to shoot. It all happened so fast if we will had had another chance at Joe some other time we would had done nothing this time. We had no choice as this was our first and last chance we would had had. So I asked sadly as I said before that I liked Joe Baker and also asked if Nick fired he said yes. Solly
- 328 - back. Now we got to Yonkers and we went into the house and the old man greeted us and he was very happy. All of a sudden I asked the old man if I would had spoken to him and would had told him that I liked Joe Baker would he had forgotten about him. He said no Joe he was working too hard on us you know he is Ciro's nephew. So I said I know. We got the news some hours later that Joe died in the hospital and when they had him in the funeral parlor Ciro put one hand on the coffin and the other hand he held high in the air and swore that he will avenge Joe's death. When the old man heard about this he sent someone at the funeral parlor to see if there was a chance to get Ciro Morello at the wake. Naturally it was a spy but word came that it was impossible to do anything. Right after the Joe Baker affair I was loaned to Newark for about five Weeks as I was supposed to drive a truck as they were after a very important man. I remember his name but it is a hard name and I will try to do the best I can -- his name was Pordanor. He was a rich man and is important in Newark today. While I was in Newark I met quite a few boys. I met Tom Bell, Sam Accardo, Sam Monicor, Don Steve, a fellow named Joe and they were also after Richie. This Richie was shot in the head by Steve Ranelli with a shot gun and he hit him with all the blast in the head but Richie did not get hurt as the powder in the shells was very weak and we did not get anyone on the job that I was assigned to so I came back to N.Y.C. and right after I came back I was sent to the Haunted House on Long Island. Now I started to tell Buster I wanted to get away from Yonkers as I had on my mind that I wanted to go out and make some money. I asked him if he could talk to the old man. He said Joe right now there is no one that can talk to the old man better than you. He said you don't know what a favor you did to him and ourselves because we need not get up four o'clock in the morning. He asked me where would you want to go. As I was already thinking about it before I asked Buster I had the answer - I told him that I
- 329 - Charlie Lucky and Vito Genovese and they are talking about making peace so be careful as it looks as though that it won't be long before there will be peace. Charlie and Vito I don't know who they are but the old man tells me everything. Are trying to get Joe the Boss, if they get Joe the Boss the trouble will be over. The reason why I know Buster said is because the old man feels bad - you see the old man wants to get Joe the Boss himself but they, Charlie and Vito, said that they themselves want to do it as they have a grudge of their own - no one likes him. Well anyway I said I'm glad to hear it, but I'll tell you the truth I said I really want to go and meet the girl you know Buster we are young and he said you not kidding if he had a girl he would want to see her too but he said I'm from Chicago and I don't know anyone over here with that the old man happened to pass by us and he gave me a nice smile and Buster looked at me as if to say go ahead so I called the old man and I asked him and he said why not I know you can take care of yourselves and beside you earned it so I asked him if I can take one of the Fords as I cannot use my car as it is too well-known. He said OK and he told me Joe the only thing I can tell you is to be careful as you know Joe we can feel sorry for you if anything happened you know it is almost over. We are just waiting to get Joe the Boss that's all there isn't anything to do until then we all we had to do so go ahead
- 330 - Pelham Parkway and 187 Street. He said Joe we are a couple of thousand now, when we started we were only 40, do you remember. I said yes and then he said I had them, the ones who came on our side, to take care of what I wanted. We did not even use our own men. But he does like to use his own men on Joe the Boss. So I told Buster that it was OK and he was happy and they are all telling me to be careful and I know what they meant and they were telling me not to go out and steal. Well I got whatever I had in the car and I asked the old man for fifty dollars and he handed me 100 dollars and I left and went to Danny as he lived in L.I. When I got there Danny was there alone, he told me please day and night I have been alone because my stupid wife saw a gun under my pillow and as she is a square she called the cops and now I am out on bail. Oh Gee I said I can't stay here. He said come with me and see what I get for 20 dollars a week and I will pay half of the rent as I am free and I could make some money while you are all tied up and you cannot hustle. I said Dan I'm going to call the boys and I'm going to crash a couple of stores. Good he said can I come. I said why do you think that I came here for. We we went and got the room and it was a swell place and there was a phone in the hall right next to my room and Dan was making a list of what he had to buy and what kind of pots
- 331 - to bring over. That night I called Monk and was he glad to hear from me. I told him to get a car for the following night and make sure that he brought Johnnie D, because Nickie will not be with us and beside Johnnie D knows Long Island pretty good and you pick out a good store in Long Island and he said he will take care of everything and where will he meet me and I gave him the phone and I told him to write it in code key. I said before I hung up bring only Johnnie with you of course and the tools. I said I have Danny here. OK he said. So the next night they called me about four o'clock in the morning and I met them on the corner. Dan was with me and to make it short we made good as they were driving me back to the flat Dan told them "Listen boys when you bring the swag to Fat West tell him that he is going to give 25 dollars for Joe, tell him that Joe wasn't with us tonight so that Joe will have some decent money in his pocket," so Monk said we will all put in 25 dollars apiece, this way if Joe is got 300 dollars coming to him he will get an extra 100 dollars, so I said thanks. The next night Dan picked up the money and that is what it was, about 400 dollars all together and I felt rich so I called May and she was not home so I told her mother that I will call the next night. Now that night Dan tells me that the Gap called him and that the Gap wanted to talk to me and I told Dan to call him and when he was on the phone
- 332 - as he knew I couldn't move so I said already I did something. Yes he said how about we go out and I said where, he said we go all the way out in the end of Long Island. I said just you and I he said I'll bring Tommie with me. I said good you call Dan and let me know when the next afternoon Dan came over and he told me the Tap and Tommie are going to stop in front of his house at 10 o'clock that night. So I called May and I told her that I will call the following night. So that night I met them in front of Dan's house and we left as Dan could not come with us because we did not want to take a chance in case anything may happen so I told Danny that I will see him when I will get back so when I got into the car they told me that we will go to Valley Stream, Long Island at the Pavilion Royal as it was a classy place and no racket guys will be out there so we went to Valley Strean and when we got there it was quite a distance from where we were as we were walking in the place we saw a couple of guys that Tommie thought were against us as I didn't know so I asked Tom what will we do. He said nothing we will go in. I said OK and the Gap said the hell with them we got guns in case of anything so as soon as we sat down the waiter came over and said that the table across the way was sending us a drink. So we accepted the drinks and we wish them luck and we order something to eat and we called the waiter and we sent the other table a round of drinks. As Tommie Brown is a classy guy he asked me how much money
- 333 - ... s. He was glad he explained ... would like to take the check ... an impression and we want them to think that we got money as this trouble is about to be ended. I said Tommie I'll pay for the both tables as I'm going to tell the truth to you I went out with some of the boys and we crashed a joint in Long Island and I got 400 dollars for my share so you need not worry. There ain't a man on earth that is loose with money like Tommie is and I was happy to be in a spot to be able to pay just once when I was in Tommie Brown's company you can never pick up a tab if Tommie is around, so he called the waiter and he told him that when those guys on the other table were ready to leave to make double sure that he will bring us their check so that is what the waiter did naturally he had to get together with the waiter on the other table, so the both checks by the time we left amounted to 300 dollars that included a good tip for both waiters. We stayed in the place for a long time. I guess the both tables were waiting for one another to leave. All the time we were there we were sending drinks freely to one another's table. Gee I felt good because I was able to pay. Well when I got back I called for Monk again and we went out again this time we went to Brooklyn as Johnnie knew how to get to Brooklyn
- 333a - Some detective was over to see me and he told me that he had Buster's picture but he never did show it to me. The same detective wrote in to the FBI and he wrote all about Buster from Chicago. The fellow that I talked about on TV. I was shocked that there was no record on Buster when I say no record I mean it was off the police record that Buster got killed. Well I heard that they could not come up with Buster's record. I did not need to get hit on the head to know why there was no record of Buster being killed. Not only was Buster's record missing also Steve Ranelli's record was missing and these two were very important in my life at that time. Well I did not say anything I could had said on TV that the police took out the record of both of these two fellows. Now this detective that came and see me he showed me Steve's picture thinking that I won't remember him but I did and I kept the picture and I asked the detective why he did not produce the picture at the right time. Well I understand that he was sore at me because I said on TV that the police thre Abe Rellis out the window while Abe was in their custody. I don't see why the detective or anyone else should be sore at me especially when it is the truth. It reminds me of the people that are sore at me for saying bad things about the Italians. Well I'll say it again I am an Italian myself does anyone think that I would say something without any foundation. I shall s y not but I do want to tell the readers of America that there are a few
- 333b - more that are telling the Government the same thing that I am telling but they would not come forward so what do they want me to say that the mob guys are Germans. Gee it don't make any sense to me to hear that they feel hurt because of the Italian people. I am an Italian I'll say it again and that is it. One day they would find out for themselves they would remember me when they would find out, I promise you. They feel so bad yet there is a guy killed here and there is a guy killed there - this goes the same way for the junk agent - there is not a man alive that gave them information with the exception of one and that is the guy that sent about forty-three guys to jail, including myself. His name is Salvatore Rinando. He got his release about eight or ten months ago even though they just missed him in Westchester County jail all the guys that would go after him are in jail. The mob would not help getting him because the mob feels that the guys that Solly sent to jail were not supposed to fool with junk. Well there are a handful that fooled with junk the rest of them may of fooled with junk with Solly but it was a long time ago but Solly moved up the dates in other words if they did anything with Solly in 1950 he turned the dates to say 1958 in other words he lied. Now when they all went to jail they set Solly free but I don't say they would get him now but they will get him. I know they would because he is with his family and when a guy like Solly stays with his family it will be a matter of time. I can't hold against him for sending me to jail because I know that he did not want to send me
- 333c - to jail but an agent by the name of Frank Savaggie made Solly do it because he the agent was mad at me because I did not do what he wanted me to do he wanted to become a big man on my information but he the agent says that I made a fool out of him. I never heard of such a thing. Here is a man makes an arrest and framed me in another case and got me an extra twenty years. I don't believe that he sleeps well at night if a guy gets so selfish and tried to become a great man over night and when he is told that he must be on the job for at least five or six years he blows his top. I know that he felt bad about what he done to me as he told me so he realized that he should not take a personal interest in me. I tell you more about this agent when I get to the year 1962. I want to finish telling you about Buster and how I got close to him when we met at a young age. Of course I met him during the War of 1930. He was a kid and as I understand he came from Chicago and I don't know who killed someone in Buster's family but I do know that Buster warred against Al Capone's mob and Buster was all alone and before my old boss Mr. Manazano, I don't know how, he got hold of Buster and had Buster come here to New York somewhere around 1930 to join him in the car against Joe the Boss. Well I learned not only from Buster but from the guy that were with him and when these guys tell you something they don't tell any fairy tales the guys that told me about Buster were guys like Joe Profaci and guys like him as Buster were young and I was young. We ...
- 333d - ask the old man to send me with him. One time he Buster had to go somewhere out of town and he Buster asked the old man to let me go along with him but the old man sent someone else instead of me and when Buster got back he told me that he was sorry that I did not go along because if I did go with him two lives would had been saved so I asked him how and he told me that these two guys were sent out of town to get together with some people that was supposed to be against the old man the guys that they were supposed to meet were Buster and the guy that went with Buster if I had went it would had been I and Buster that these guys thought that we were against the old man, Mr. Manazano, instead they walked into a trap. When they found out that they walked into a trap they pleaded for their lives and they told Buster that they had a couple of kids apiece and they told Buster after all we came here because they sent us here so give us a break and let us go and they promised Buster that they would never come back. This way the mob would think that they were dead but Buster did not trust the other guy and he was forced to kill them both and that is why Buster hoped that I was with him instead of the other guy. He Buster said that he would had trusted me and he would had let the guys go. I told Buster you are not kidding you know I would had let the guys go. Gee I told Buster now I feel bad that they did not make me come with you. Now you know why I liked Buster because he had a heart and I hope the reader would not
- 333e - laugh when I say that Buster had a heart but you must remember that the other two guys went there to kill Buster and the guy that was with Buster. Would the other guys had let Buster go? We don't know but Buster was thinking of letting them go only he Buster did not trust his partner. He was afraid that the other guy would had told the old man but Buster knew me by this time and he knew that I also had a heart. I wish the young mob guys read this and they will realize that this life was a tough life in the old days and believe me I was sorry that I got hooked and I used to tell Buster - in fact a few times I told Buster let's run away on the mob and we would get lost and Buster used to laugh. Now I told you about some of the police and about one of the junk agents and yet they think that I have been rude. I could had said plenty more so they should not hold anything against me considering. I also warned Buster not to get in any cheap argiment that I mean was such as to get in a fight with young fellows - say like in a cheap crap game because he was cutting one of the games down on the East Side - by cutting I mean taking a percentage when the shooter made some profit whenhe got through shooting. I knew they would use that kind of a bait on Buster because he was something to worry about as they knew what he done in Chicago all by himself and what he had done in the Joe the Boss and Maranzano war when I went to the wake of all the things they told his friends was that they already got even for Buster's death so that there won't be any hard feelings but it was all lies, they got rid of him because they feared him.
- 333f - The reason why I wrote about Buster and the two guys that he was forced to kill is to show the world and the young soldiers how the Bosses sent these two guys to their doom to suit their own purposes. If Buster would had gotten caught with his pants down the two guys that Buster killed were not going to kill Buster and his friend right away they would had held Buster and his friend and tortured them to force out of them the whereabouts of Marazano because Mr. Marazano was the real brains that was giving Joe the Boss all the trouble and Joe the Boss' outfit at that time was the same outfit we have today. Only today it is ruled by Vito Genovese. In other words, Joe the Boss was just as powerful in those days as Vito Genovese is today. I want the soldiers to read what I am writing because they walk around with their heads so high in the air that only their loved ones can stand them. They don't know what this life really is and if they knew most of them will run and never stop running. They are very lucky that today they don't use that kind of pressure. Joe the Boss knew in his heart that those two boys had the odds of ninety to one that they may never come back but still he sent them because he was desperate and he knew that he was about to lost the war. Of course I'm talking about the War of 1930. But the Bosses like Vito Genovese work differently If anyone starts any trouble today against them they make it their business to let the police know all about it by talking on the phone and they talk about just who
- 333g - is giving them trouble and they make sure that they mention the name of the troublemaker - like in the case of the Gallo affair everyone on earth knew that the Gallo boys had kidnapped a few of the bosses and then let them go. It was talked about so much on the phone until the police got wind of it and the police went all out to get the Gallo boys. But as long as it is gangsters against gangsters the police seemed to go after the Gallo boys and they never locked up any of the bosses that was kidnapped. Life got to be so sweet for the bosses and there is so much money involved today that they don't even want to retire. They are supposed to retire at the age of sixty-five and Vito Genovese and a couple of other bosses are well over the sixty-five mark. Do they retire? No I'll tell you why. In the old days a boss never saw a million dollars, they saw say like one hundred fifty thousand or two hundred thousand but as I said never a million as they make today. So the life got to be so sweet that they want to be boss until they are a hundred that's why I say that this second government would get to be so powerful that it would be impossible to break it up. One day the American people would remember what I am telling them. Only with one gambling house in Las Vegas that I know of earned five hundred thousand dollars a month. The government knows about it but cannot get the evidence but one day they will get the evidence and then the public would hear how much the mob takes in on gambling.
- 334 - The next day I collected and I called May and I met her that night and she was telling me that a couple of guys went up her Mother's house about two months before and they told her Mother that if your daughter don't stay away from Joe that they are going to kill both of them so I got in touch with the old man through Tommie. He knew that I wanted to see him. Well someone had to pick me up as we cannot go there on our own always if someone wants to get to Yonkers like I was trying to do they never let you or anyone else drive there yourself, because they will never know if someone stuck you up or what. So the boys came and pick me up and when I got to Yonkers and I told him what I had to say he told me that I will have to stay in the Yonkers house for a couple of days. So a couple of days passed and the old man had all of us that was at the house lined all around the room standing with our back to the wall and in the middle of the room there was a man I never saw before, he had sort of grey hair, the old man called my name and he told me to tell my story to this man. So I did. Now all the boys heard this and they were mad and the old man that was in the middle of the room was looking everyone over and he was shaking his head. Now Mr. Manarzano started to talk to the man and he told him you heard what Joe said the old man said yes well this is what I want you to bring back tell them ...
- 335 - or a friend or anything that belongs to any of the boys tell them we will kill the babies in their wives stomach. Now I asked who was this man and the old man told me that we have what you call a truce man, this man brings messages to the both mobs. The old man explained if we did not have a man to meet us and the other people we are fighting there will never be peace that's why we have men like him. He comes and he tells us that those guys want to make up on such and such a condition. If we don't like it we just say no. So I said how does he get over here, Oh the old man said he gets in touch with someone who in turn gets in touch with someone and this someone will get in touch with me then I sent the boys to pick him up and when they do pick him up they blindfold him and they drive him here. Now when he leaves they blind fold him again. Oh I said I see. Now the old man asked me if I was satisfied. Oh yes I said so I asked him if I could leave he said yes so the boys drove me a little out of Yonkers and I took a cab. I didn't want them to come all the way. I went back to Long Island and again I called Monk and Itell him to get a car and again we went to Brooklyn and again I got four hundred dollars and I took a rest for a couple of days. I was going to the movie on Steinway Ave. which is like Broadway in New York. We went out again and into Brooklyn and this time we had about half of the load when the Dolly ...
- 336 - the two policemen won't give an edge they kept right on our heels. Well I had to go something to lose them having a half of the load on the car and four men, it was kind of hard on turns so I put my best and I was turning on two wheels but we got away. It took a lot doings but I did it. The next day there was a big headline in the papers it ran like this "Thugs Elude Police in Brooklyn Burglary" and it went on telling the story so I was called and I was told that the old man wants to see me. I don't remember who got in touch with Dan but I was told to be at his house at a certain time. Well the boys came over naturally Bust was there and he was laughing. I got in the car and we went to Yonkers. Now Buster started to tell me that was you in Brooklyn. I said yes well tell him the truth don't try to lie he is worried and all he wants you to do is stop. I think he is going to ask you for the suits to give them out to the boys. I said Buster those suits are gone already and besides it will be like stealing them again and we only got about 47 suits as the cops came when he had just started to load. They were so close that they were about 100 feet away when we started to go. Believe me they were tough cops. Buster said the old man is got the papers and he is going to read it to you. That's why I'm telling you not to lie. Everyone was laughing in the car, there was three of us. Well we got to Yonkers and as I went into the ...
- 337 - kissed him on both cheeks as those days we used to kiss when we met. He told me to sit down and he went on to read the headline out loud and when he got through he said nice piece of work, do you know these guys. I said yes he said who are they. I said me and my friends. Oh he said and he laughed. He said Joe I'm sorry I must order you to stop stealing and if you got the suits yet I'll buy them and give them out to the boys and I told him the same thing that I told Buster and he agreed with me. Now he said can you stop or shall I keep you here. I said that I'll stop. He said he will see to it that I will get a few dollars every week and I said OK and they brought me out of Yonkers and again I took a cab. I handed Buster a 50 dollars and the Doc a 20 and I went back to Long Island and I gave the boys the news and I said that I am a retired burglar. I was told to stop and it was sad news for Monk. All I could do now was hang around and take it easy with the money I must say that Tommie was always sending me what he could. So for about five or six weeks I did nothing but go to the movies and taking long rides and things like visiting one guy here and one guy there. Of course I mean boys like Nickie and that kind. I will not bother guys like Monk or Buck only when I need them. Finally I received a phone call from Tom Gagalino and he gives me the news that they got the chinaman in Coney Island by the chinaman he meant Joe the Boss. When-
- 338 - ... said it all over but not to move until I would be called and that took about two weeks. Now let me tell you what I found out about Tom Gagliano. He put out of his own pocket $140,000 into this war and up to today I know he never got a nickel back and never had a piece of any racket. All I know he was a building contractor and he went to jail for one year for income tax. I must go ahead of my story as I am in a position to tell it now Tom Gagliano told Tony Bender once in Jersey at Fort Lee over at Duke's Res. as I was on the carpet for something, I don't remember, when the carpet was over Tom called Tony Bender and warned him that he wanted him to know Mr. Tony Bender that we are watching over Joe, don't think that you will get away with anything that you are trying to pull on Joe. Tony dodged it and said that he was treating me good. So Tom said yes I know how good you are treating him that's why we are here just becareful he warned him again as I willgo on with this story you will understand what I just told you. Tom Gagliano died a natural death somewhere in the middle-fifties. I don't remember just when. As soon as he died believe me I knew I was in trouble, and I have tears in my eyes as I Write about Tom Gagliano. Now I will go on with my story. I was informed to be somewhere in the Bronx and I was told that peace has been declared and in a few days ...
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- 355 - but two or three babies were hit in their baby carriages and one of them died and Vincent Coll was picked up again and he was charged for the murder of this baby. Now Vincent Coil hires Samuel Leibowitz, the great judge of today in Brooklyn today, and as Leibowitz had a fine staff of investigators he found out the guy that had identified Coil was in Detroit at the time he was supposed to be 107 Street so the case was thrown out of court. And now the banquet in Coney Island is underway. First I tell of the big money that came in that I know of. Steve from Buffalo sent $6,000 as the ticket cost $6.00 a ticket he sent 100 tickets to each of these guys that I will mention. There were more that sent the same amount but I do not remember. Al Capone sent $6,000 and Charley Lucky sent $6,000 and Frank Scalice was at the table and he will greet every one that came in and he will say in Italian good luck and he will put his hands in his pocket and put money on the big trays that they had on two big tables at the entrance of the Hall. I don't remember where the banquet was held but it was held in Brooklyn. Well the banquet was held to three days and the old man said that he took in 115 thousand dollars but the rumor among us was that it was well over the 150 thousand dollars mark. Now we were waiting for some money and we did not bet any. So when I is at the office on 46 Street, Buster came over and told me to get some of the boys ready
- 356 - and that he wanted to go and steal as he was getting disgusted and I told him that I saw them split some money a few times and he told me that he got a few hundred dollars here and there and that was for trucks that they hijacked and I asked him how come I didn't get anything. I don't know he said. He was thinking about it. A few times he handed me a 50 dollar bill as I was going to the office back and forth then I asked him why don't you ask the old man why he left me out on the splits and he walked right over to the old man and he asked him and the old man told me that he knew what he was doing and that he did not want to involve me so Buster told me that this is the way he and I stood that if the old man ever asked him to kill Joe that he Buster will turn and shoot the old man so I shook Buster's hand and I said the same goes with me and I asked him if we had anymore that felt that way and he said yes, the Doc and he told me not to let Bobby Doyle know anything the way we felt. He told me that he did not trust Bobby Doyle as he Buster thought that he will sell you for a dime. He said that he has a lot of nerve and that's about all and I said we all got nerve so that makes us even. Good for you he said that's the way you should feel about anyone if the guys don't treat us right after all we did we will shoot them all so I asked him do you really want to go and steal, he said yes we will have some money in our pockets as they are not giving us
- 357 - anything we made a couple of splits in 3 months is that money so I said be up in Harlem tonight, not realizing that Bobby will be there so when Buster came 110 Street and he saw Bobby there he said to Bobby hello and Bobby said to Buster what are you doing up here in Harlem. Buster said I came looking for that guy Chuck that wants to shoot Joe and Bobby said don't you think that we are looking for him. I don't care Buster said I like Joe and anyone who want to shoot Joe I want to shoot him and that goes for anyone who wants to shoot Joe. He told Bobby that he thought that Joe is the best guy that he met in the whole outfit and Bobby said why do you think that I am with him. So Buster just looked and he said to me tonight I want to be with you where yougo I go as at this time I was going in midtown in an Italian Restaurant on 46 Street, between Broadway and Eighth Avenue, next to Dinny Moore the name of the Res was Freddie and Charlie Lucky, Mike, Marazanda, Dutch Schult and Mike Capollo used to come down there. So I told Bobby that I was not going down ther tonight so he asked me to drive him down there when it came around six o'clock that night so Buster and I drove him down to Freddie, and on the way down he told Buster that we looked suspicious, that we look as though as we are out for no good so we told Bobby that we are getting disgusted and we don't care for anything, after all the money that come in at the banquet, all we
- 358 - got was a 50 dollar bill so Bobby felt the same way and we did not trust him we were afraid of him because he was always up at the office and he was a Lt. So that night Buster and I went back to Harlem and we met Johnnie D and as he was already a member as I put him in three months before I told him tonight we are going out and crash a joint good Johnnie said I got a good one in Long Island and it is a good dress joint and we must raise the price on this load as Fat West didn't get anything for about 6 months so I told Johnnie get Monk to get the tools ready as I will go and see Fat West. So I took Buster along and I went and see Fat West and I told him to be ready tonight that we were going out and he was happy. Fat I said we want a better price for the dresses as this load is going to be dresses worth from 14 dollars up and we want $4.50 a dress. OK Fat said get a good load and we went back to 110 Street and Lexington and I was bringing Buster here and there and he said that he wanted hand out there in Harlem with us and I told him not yet the old man will kill me. He wants you down at the office every day so he told me to try and come down more often as I will keep him company. OK I said when I will come out of the house here after I will come down and have breakfast with you how is that? He said fine. That night we went out and we got three hundred dresses and we ...
- 359 - afternoon Bobby Doyle came to 110 Street, Lexington Ave., and he looked all excited and he asked me what did you do go out with Buster. I said how do you know he said the old man called him and that he wanted to see me so I told Bobby is he mad and Bobby said yes then I'll take off and I'll take a ride to see Steve in Buffalo. Bobby said its a good idea by the time you come back he will forget all about it. So I ran over to Fat West and I took my end and I took off. I took some guy with me and I was in Buffalo in a couple of days there I met Steve M. and he entertained me and I met some boys. I met cowboy big Montana, Charlie Buffalo was in N. Y. C. I even met Frank Scarlice's two brothers, Joe and Charlie, as they were visiting in Buffalo. I went to every cabaret in Rochester and Buffalo and every good restaurant. I borrow five hundred from Steve M. and I came home when I got to N. Y. C. the next day I went to the office on 46 Street and before I had a chance to say anything the old man said in front of Charlie and Vito as they were up there, he said he had sent out a check to Buffalo and that he paid the five hundred I told him I thought that he will be mad but he said why should he be mad. Charlie Lucky and Vito Genovese gave me a good hand and the old man told me to be careful with those two as they are looking for your confidence. I told them that I notice it, now I sit around and one of the boys I don't remember who, started to talk about
- 360 - Charlie Lucky and he was saying that he had a hard job getting Joe the Boss out of his house and the only way they got him to come out by telling Joe the Boss that they had a chance to get Mr. Maranzano if he will come out and meet them they will explain everything to him, that's how they got him to go out in that Coney Island Restaurant and that Ciro Morello is finish. He was so shakey when they got into the car that he was not able to put the key of his car into the ignition, someone of the mob took the key off him and made him sit in the back. So he is much pretty bad ever since. This guy went on to say that he don't think that Ciro will be there too long he think they are going to break him and make him a plain soldier. The next day Bobby and I went up the office again and we sit around and they tell us to make sure that we don't go up there with any guns in our pocket as they expect the police to come up there any day. The first guy I ran to was to Buster and I told him Buster I don't like this, they are trying to get us used to come up here without any guns I ain't going to come around here any more. If the old man falls for this line, Buster argued with me and I told him you better talk to that old man and make him understand because these guys are got plenty of connection with the police and I'll bet you that when they come here that they don't come here empty handed who are they kidding Buster I said tell me the truth is the ...
- 361 - out these people are smart and they are going to out-smart the old man which you see after all Buster I said we depend on the old man if anything happened to him we are through. So Buster said we will fight. Yes I said we must start from the bottom again and you saw how much money you need to carry on a war. I'm sorry I ever got mixed up in this. I said here I am I know in my heart that is phony and we don't do a thing about it well I'm going to tell him and then at least I know that I done my duty if anything happened. I didn't say anything right away. I waited for my chance as I was going down every day and I did not get much chance to talk to the old man but after about 12 days after we got the order not to go to the office with any guns as they expect the police the old man told me to come to his house. The last time I was at the office I went that night to his house and it was about 9 o'clock when I arrived and as I rang the bell and he said to come in and when I came in the house he was nursing his hids beet and he was bending his head as I walked in and I said to myself, eh one shot and you get rid of a powerful man like him. Well he talked to me while he had his head down and he said Joe you know why you did not get any money from the banquet. I said no and he said that we must get the mattresses again by that he meant that we are going to war again although I thought that I will get a heart attack. Gee I
- 362 - said we are only back about four months and he said Joe I can't get along with those two guys - he meant Charlie Lucky and Vito Genovese. He said we must get rid of these guys before we can control anything. I wanted to say who wants to control only thing I wanted was a good living but I dare not say anything. I'll try to remember most of the names. The first one was Al Capone, Charlie Lucky Luciano, Vito Genovese, Frank Costello, Willie Moore Moretti from Fort Lee, New Jersey, Joseph Dodo Adonis, Vincent Mongon, Ciro Morello, Dutch Schutz. Not Mike Capollo as he was a heel at this time and as far as I'm concerned he is still a heel. Now to more. Now I went home and before I left he told me to call the office at a quarter to two the next afternoon and he gave me special orders not to tell Bobby Doyle anything. I knew he was able to do such a thing now before I left he had told me that this was his last appearance at the office and I turned and said Mr. Marnazano why don't you let Angelo Crusio go in your place why must you take a chance going to the office you know I never liked that order about us coming down the office without any guns. Gee after all anything happened to you we will all be out in the street. He said he had to make this last appearance. Well I left sadly and I went straight home and I started to think that he did not mention Tom Gagliano, Frank Scalise,
- 363 - Don Steve from Newark so I was wondering if these guys were in on it. Well I thought most of the night and I did not come up with anything but fear. So the next day I went 110 Street at Lexington Ave., and I waited until a quarter to two. I made my call at a quarter to two and Charlie Buffalo answer the phone and he told me that I should hold on then he answer and told me that everything was alright now the Gap comes around two o'clock and he tells methat he met two girls from Brooklyn and we shall go and spend the whole day out there as they were very pretty and it didn't take long to make up my mind and we went to Brooklyn and we met the girls in East New York Brooklyn as this was thirty miles from N. Y. C. We decided to stay out in Brooklyn. We got there about four o'clock in the afternoon and we went to their house and then we went to a show and then went to one of these girls' sister house and then we left for N. Y. C. We reach 14 Street at about one o'clock or 1:30 and we went to Charley Jones Restaurant and we order a nice meal but we were there about fifteen minutes when a guy came in and he was looking us over. He left then a second guy came in and he was looking us over, he left and a third guy came and he was looking us over, that was enough for me. I said Gap have you noticed what I noticed. He said yes, let's go. Now I get close to Charlie Jones as he was no mob guy. I asked him is there
- 364 - anything wrong and as he knew guys like Joe the Boss or Charlie Lucky as he was a connection with the Police Department and he always had a crap game going and he was partner with such names as Bill Warnar, Bill Duffy and A. Rothstein, and guys like that. I had a lot of respect for him. He moved over to me and he whispers to me and he said go home Joe that was all I had to hear I got up and I gave the girls forty dollars and told them to please excuse me as it looked as though that something is wrong. I know the Gap won't give them any money, to my surprise he handed his girl some money and I said Gap I'm going he said yes you go home and he stayed with Charlie and as I was riding toward Harlem and I was on Lexington Ave. I was riding very slow and thinking very hard I had the news laying on my seat of the car and I just could not figure out what it was all about. I thought of when I called the office that afternoon and I remember Charlie Buffalo said that everything was OK and I just couldn't figure but I reached 110 Street. Lexington Ave., and I saw about nine fellows on the corner and I heard a whistle and I looked and I did not like the looks of things so I put it in second and I pulled away as I lived on Second Ave., 108 Street. I went home and parked my car on the corner and I woke up my kid brother and I told him to take the car in the garage and the man in the garage asked the kid how is Joe
- 365 - is he OK and the kid told me about this. Now the man who owned the garage was the guy that Nickie and Solly fired at on St. Ann Ave., if you remember I mentioned this in the early part of this story. He held no hard feeling as he understood that we got an order and it is not our fault especially when we did not know him at the time. Now this sent me wondering. I'm sitting on an arm chair and I'm still thinking and I did not look in the newspapers yet. Then all of a sudden I hear a rustle of feet come up the stairs and I have a gun in my hand and I asked who is it and they said Buck, Johnnie D and Pete Muggin, his right name is Leno. I asked them if they were along and the funny part of it I was worried and I did not know what I was worried about. So I opened the door and I saw the impossible all three of them had powdermarks on their necks and faces and none of them were hurt. I asked them did they see anyone all afternoon and they said yes and than I said you guys don't know if anything is wrong. They said that they wreat a lost. I asked them who fired at you and they told me Joe Swed, Micky Shapes, Danny Hogan and some other dog and Eddie Coco was there and I asked was Eddie Coco there all afternoon they said yes that he was asking all day where is Joe. Now I happened to look at the papers and I see the headline Park Ave. murder and I read hey I said now I know what it is all about they killed
- 366 - the old man and everybody took a look at the papers and we read how they killed Jimmy Marino up in the barber chair in Forham and they killed one here and one there a few days later they found Sam Monanco in the Passaic River, and now I tell myself no wonder the Gap took me to Brooklyn he must had known something and he kept me out of the neighborhood. Now I realize that they were all in on this. I could tell that's why I wanted to know about Eddie as Eddie is one of the boys that I put in and he remained with Tom Gagliano. Now somehow Solly came over and got me and he brought me to his sister house in Newark and that night he was acting suspicious and I made believe that I did not notice it but when it came to three o'clock in the morning I took off on him he never knew what hit him when he found out that I took off the reason why I was at a loss was because Bobby Doyle was arrested at the office after the old man got hit and he remained in jail no matter where I looked it look bad so I said to myself that I'm going at the wake at Ave J in Brooklyn and see if I could find someone there. No not a soul except the family. Well what could they tell me so I went to Nickie's house and he was scared to death when he saw me not that he did not like me he was worried about me and he told me that he is supposed to call them if I go there so I
- 367 - said that enough for me so I said don't worry Nickie I will leave and I understand so he had tears in his eyes he said don't let anyone know that you were here so I took off. Now I know where I went they were a respectable family and it is not fair to say because until this day they did not know why and where I was only one guy knew as I had called Tommie Brown and he told me to stay where I was as it was safe for me and he did not let anyone know that I was there. Now the next day he called me and told me that Tom Gagaliano wanted to talk to me and as I felt that I did not do anything wrong the next day I went and met them. It was somewhere around 228 Street on the East Side of the Bronx so when I got there they wanted to know if I had anything to do with hijacking truck like piece goods and things in that line so I told them that I swear I did not know anything about such lungs. Then they told me I did not have anything to worry about so I asked them what was it all about and they told me the old man went crazy and he thought that we are going to kill ourselves, all our lives, as he wanted to start another war. I knew they were right but I did not say anything I figure I first find out'What it is really all about and then I will decide what I shall do. Now Bobby come out of jail but I don't see him yet, I see Tommy once more and he tells me that only I could go back with Tom Gagliano, they don't want any part of Bobby Doyle and ...
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- 369 - the old man was killed, which I did not. Only break I got was being in Brooklyn and when I got to 14 Street, as I wasn't known down there. It was the Gap that saved me all around. I tell you how when those guys that came in and looked us over, when they made their calls they had to say that the Gap was there with another guy but they did not know who the other guy was now being Gap was with Tom Gagliano and being Tom's men were not wanted they gave me the benefit of the doubt. That's why Charlie told me to go home, he knew that I was with Marangano and that is why I was so friendly with him after this happened. He even remarked to me several times during the years that he lived, "Joe I saved your life. " As he was strictly a Charlie Lucky man. Now who would think like I do that the Gap come around that day and took me to Brooklyn. Now they said that the old man was out to get Charlie and Vito at the office if he did I say he would had not told me that everything was all right when I called - he had to have a reason to have me call at a quarter to two, he must had changed his mind or he will had told me to get off the streets. So the ones who got caught sleeping slept forever. I was just lucky and again I thought of the state of grace that I kept in the New York Catholic Protectory.
- 370- Now we go and meet Vito at the Corish Arms Hotel and we were Bobby, Buck, Pete, Johnnie and myself. He tells us that the reason was simple why he wanted us to be with him. He said he wanted us to get the respect we deserved, meaning that they were in power now. So I asked him why did they shoot at the boys at Lexington Ave. and they waited day and night to get me. He said that they did that on their own up in Harlem and I said up in the Bronx too and in Jersey too. So he said that whenever a boss dies all his faithful die with him and I said that's different. So Vito went on to explain all the rotten things that the old man did and he would had us killing one another. So I said if you guys appreciate what we did, why didn't you let us know what the old man was doing. He answered and said he could not tell us anything as we were faithful to the old man and they feared that we will tell the old man and then we will be in a lot of trouble. So I said I rather come to your side as you know that we are faithful than being a double crossers. He said you are right and he tells us that we will be assigned to Tony Bender and he will be our Lt. So they drove us or we met them on Thomasson St. and he introduces us to Tony Bender. Right from the start I didn't like him. He was a conceited and a miserable person. He knew right away that he could not tell me any story as he had gotten in, I'll say a week
- 371 - when he was made Lt. You know in Joe the Boss's time they only had a boss and an underboss, but no Lr. Mr. Maranzano made the new rule and put Lt. in effect. Now the old man died and Bobby come out of jail. I told Bobby what the old man had said and who he wanted to get rid of but I told Bobby as a partner of mine not to report it to Vito. Now Bobby tells me that Vito wants me to go to Chicago and tell my story to the rest of the bosses. As you know when a boss get hit to avoid a national war one must present evidence as to why they killed the boss as they must give out of town bosses some explanation as to why it happened and what can be better than to give one of the soldiers who had no Lt. but was assigned to the boss himself. It is an honor to be assigned to a boss and not having to account to anyone else. I'm sorry I must say this as I want the people of America to understand just how the mob rules and why. I called it a second government. In fact the old man was a fan of Julius Caesar. He had a room full of Julius Caesar books and he copies from Julius Caesar the word carpagine, which means Lieutenant. So I told Bobby that when I see Vito I'm going to ask him to spare me the embarrassment of testifying against my own boss, even though he is dead. So Bobby told me I wouldn't if I were you. I happened to see Vito and I asked
- 372 - him if he would do me a favor and see that I don't go to Chicago as I don't feel right telling stores of a boss of mine. You know what its all about so if you need anyone Bobby is enough. Vito tells me don't worry about it you need not go to Chicago and I must say that I was admired for this. Now I must go ahead of my story. When they killed Albert Anastasia and Jimmy Jerome wanted to testify against his former boss so they told him OK if we need you we will callyou. After he left they called him all kinds of names. Now I see Bobby and I tell him that I saw Vito and I spoke to him about Chicago and he said I need not go you can go in my place. He seemed to be happy to go as he is going to meet Al Capone and the rest of the mob in Chicago. I must say that I was sorry for ever joining the mob as there are very few men, all dogs, to my opinion. They don't have their own mind. Now Bobby tells me that it was the Jews that came up at the office and they showed phony badges and they said that they were cops and that there was about fifteen guys in the office at the time that they came up. So I asked him how did they go about it and how did you get pinched when everyone else got away. He said they came in and they said that they were policemen and that they wanted to know who they can talk to and the old man said you can talk to me, so they
- 373 - were watching us and then we heard a shot and everyone ran out of the office and at the same time the two guys came out and told us to beat it as they ran out. I went into the other room and I got on my knees and I lift his head and I saw that besides the shot they had cut his throat and he was alive and I thought that he had a chance but he was deal and I didn't care if I got pinched as I was disgusted and I figure that even if I did run I won't know where to go, that's how disgusted I was. I asked Bobby tell the truth did you know that he was hijacking these trucks on Charlie Lucky. He asked me what kind of trucks. I said piece goods is all I remember. He said that he didn't know and wanted to know how do I know. I said I'll tell you some other time as right now I want to know are we going to fight. He said what are you crazy. I said are you aware as to what happened to Buck, Pete, and Johnnie? He said No. Then I told him how they waited for me on Lexington and how they shot up Buck and them. He said how come you were not around. I said I was lucky I was in Brooklyn all day. He said with who. I said the Gap and he looked at me. He said looks like everybody was in on this except us. Now after Bobby explained to me everything I forgot about fighting. I left everything to him. Now as I go ahead with my story. We were with Charlie and Vito ...
- 374 - as I had to because Frank Costello opened the town. I asked Charlie if I can get a few machines. Of course Bobby was with me when we went down town on Thomson Street as they had an office in the building where Vito had the junk shop. I was a very confused guy and I really was in a fog. I was with new people and I didnc think I deserve anything as I did not do anything with these people and when I was called in the office and I met Vito and Charlie I felt sort of ashamed. I don't know why Bobby made me go in we were sitting in the front room and the bosses were in the next room and all of a sudden Tony Bender pushed me in the office and Charlie asked what does he want so Tony said he wants some machines and Charlie said is he along and Tony said yes and Charlie said OK - 20 machines. That meant 20 stickers. Now the stickers were the protection of the office of Frank Costello - without these stickers the police will lock up or give a ticket to the storekeeper. They changed the stickers every month. Now Bobby and I put the Gap in partner with us so they come up with an idea they got two number 1 stickers and two number two stickers - in other words we operated 40 machines instead of so. Now I realized why they threw me into the office if I would get caught using double numbers it will be very embarrassing. I would have to face Charlie so I told Bobby no wonder you made me go in the office ...
- 375 - don't worry he wont say anything to you it will be bad if he got caught. So I said I guess you are right, as he was an old timer compared to me. Well now we were looking for locations and I went and see Frenchy the watchman in the Harlem Market as there never was a machine in the square of the Harlem Market. There were about eight restaurants and bars in the Square. I beg Frenchy to let me put some machines in the market. I told him that I want to get married and all that sort of stuff. Finally he asked me if I was connected with any racket guys. I told him that I wasn't so he said if I find out that you are lying I'll break your neck. So I assured him that I was telling the truth and he made me put the machines in the Square. Those eight machines were taking in a thousand dollars a week. I had about three or four quarter machines and a couple of dime machines and the rest of them were nickle machines. Now I wanted to give Frenchy a 500 dollar gift but he refused - that's the way he was. He knew me when I used to go to the market with my father and he thought that I was a hard working kid. Now everything was going swell and no one notice the numbers
- 376 - on the machines as Frank Costello's office had agents going around checking machines in stores and see that they belonged to Frank's office by having Frank's stickers on the machines. If not, they would hijack them. Now when the first month was up and I had to go and get new stickers up at Frank's office which was somewhere at 116 Street on the west side, they wanted to know how did I ever get into the Harlem Market as they been trying to get in there for years. We had to register our locations and they had to make sure that we did not have more than twenty machines. Of course I register the best locations I had. Now if they caught up with the double number we had we will not claim the loca- tion if they called the service number and caught the workman we will say that he was doing it for himself and then we would pull in the other 19 we had on location and then go to the front for the workman as we can always talk for him and say that he did not know any better. That's the chances we had to take. We had to watch the big office's agents as they were what we called spies for the office. Now the office had a way of checking on their agents.
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- 382 - following day as he got a phone call from Tony. He said he did not know what its all about as Tony himself didn't know. All he knew was that Charlie wanted to see me. So we started to think maybe they found out about the double numbers we had on the stickers. The next day I went downtown and I saw Shim, the fellow that wanted to know if what he done in Sing Sing will be held against him on the outside. As I was walking along Thomson Street I ran right into Shim. We said hello to each other and he said that he thought that Charlie wanted to talk to me about him. So I said Shim you know that there were a lot of guys from downtown in Sing Sing I'll feel my way around but I'll tell you now I would not lie to Charlie Lucky. Shim said he understood. So I walk up the office and sure enough there was Charlie and Vito and he asked me to step in the other office and he asked me if I was making a living with the machines and I said yes and he wanted to know how I feel as he heard that I was sick. I told him that I felt fine and then he told me about Shim. He said that he heard a lot of stories about Shim and he heard that Shim is a good boy but what he heard he said that he was not interested. He said Joe you are one of my boys and I want to hear it from you, what you say goes. I said Charlie, I like Shim but it is a sure thing that I am not going to lie to you.
- 383 - Whatever you want to know. So he asked me is it true that this guy will kill you for a punk. I said yes Charlie its true and he said thank you and he said that is all I want to know. So I came down and I met Shim again and I said you see what I mean and he put his head down and he said I know who told Charlie and I left downtown and I went uptown, back to Harlem. I explained everything to Bobby and we forgot about it. About a month after this thing about Shim a fellow by the name of Sam, who had done a lot of time in Sing Sing, comes around and he sees Bobby there and they shake hands and Bobby asked him what was he doing up in Harlem so Sam Simone tells Bobby that he came to speak to Joe. So as he said that it was private I told him to come to my house so he said that as long as he found me the thing can wait until tomorrow morning as I will come to your house. So I gave him my address. He sat down in the restaurant and we talked about Sing Sing. He stayed about an hour and he left and the next morning he came over to the house and now you would see how the world turned. He said that Alexander Venero is home and he sent me to talk to you so I asked how does he feel and he said not too good. Now I ask him what was on his mind and he said that Alex met so many guys in the 17 years that he done in Sing Sing and none he trusted like he trust you. I let him talk ...
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- 399 - never stopped. The horse paid over 200 hundred dollars and my wife and 2 dollars across the board on it. That was the only bet we cashed. She collected over 300 dollars. Now I run into Vincent Monagano. He was a boss in the old family and took the place of one of the guys that died on Pelham Parkway. When I saw him I tried to avoid him because I knew that he was against my former boss Marnagano. He put his arm around me and he said what's the matter with you don't you want to talk to me. I was really ashamed more than anything else as I used to see him up at the 46 Street office. So I said you know how it is Vince I got horses on my mind. He said hey Joe when you are going to pass up people like me because of the horse its time for you to quit. So I said you right but what can I do and he saw that I was nervous and I wanted to get away. He asked me did I put any bet in yet. I said I did and he said let me see how much you bet. I showed him the ticket and he saw that it was 10 win and 10 place so he showed his ticket and all he bet was two dollars. You see he said all I bet is two dollars and he had his arm around me all this time that we were talking. So I said Vince you can afford to play just two dollars that is all the millionaires bet but us guys that ain't doing too well we try to win our expenses - instead we go in a hole. Yes Joe he ...
- 400- and he said we watch the races together. Then he said you know Joe I got a lot of respect for you if it wasn't for guys like you we won't be where we are and I want you to know that I am an old timer and I appreciate and respect all of you guys that done away with Joe the Boss and guys like Peter Morello. Yes I said I agree with you but look at what happened we done good and now we got to walk with our heads down because our boss went crazy. Yes he said don't you see that's why Vito took you guys with him he wants to make sure you get a fair deal. I said Vinc I got to tell you the truth if I don't hustle I'll starve to death what can I tell you. He said hey Joe anyway this is the way I feel, have you got a car. I said no the couple that came with me went home, the poor guy is a working man and the Gap gave us 27 straight losers. Give me your address and I'll send you a brand new car and you can sent it to this address when you go home as he handed me a card and I don't remember just what he said, he started to tell me anyway Joe if ever you are in trouble in Brooklyn this is what I don't remember whether he said they made a Judge or they were going to make a Judge. He told me that the Judge was Italian and that his name was Arbruzzo. Later on in this story I will tell about Judge Abruzzo. Now I go to the dog track and the Gap is getting more loses but at
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- 403 - into a crash and he turned upside down and that he was in a hospital some where in North Carolina. I kept the car for about a week as I wanted to have it checked and then I called Vincent and I thanked him and I asked if it will be OK if I send someone over with the car and he said that if I need the car I could use it. I said I had a car and I thanks him again. Now I see Bobby and he tells me that Vito told him that if we want to book the numbers that it will be OK. Now so I said well he laughed and said I already have a good controler and I said we need money. He said he had a guy with money. Fine I said. I met a guy and he wants me to go in the ice business with him and Bobby told me not to so I said why and he said that belongs to Vito and if you build it up they may tell you to stop. So I said as long as it is for Vito then I don't care if I work for nothing after all he just gave up the OK on the numbers. Yes Bobby said the idea is that you will look bad with the guy that you are with. I see I said I didn't know that they got the ice business union. He said they ain't got the ice union, they have the ice business. I said that I did not understand. He said the ice racket is been in existence for a long time. I see the guy I said and I will tell him maybe if we guild it up we may have to give it up. He said that he didn't care as he just wanted to start because he was stopped once before and he wanted the ...
- 404 - put in any money and the only thing that I will do is get customers. He daid OK. All I did was when I go in a place, say like a bar, I will ask the bar owner if I could get his trade for the ice service. Well in about six months I got quite a few customers and I rwer got a cent. Now Vito Genovese calls me and he asked me if I was with Russo in the ice business. So I said didn't Bobby tell you. He said yes and he told you not to do it. I asked why and he said not I must ask you to stop so I said I'll stop do you get anything out of it he said that it was his company so I said I don't mind the little work that I did as long as you get the benefit. When we were in Atlanta together I reminded him one day we were talking and as there was an iceman in the cell boy did he get mad. He said how do you guys remember so far back. I just laughed because I wanted him to know that he stopped me from making a living. He didn't like it as it hit hard and it sounded so rotten it was not even funny. The other ice man just looked. Now we go into the numbers business and we started small I'll say the first day we had about 400 dollars net, net means that after the 30% is taken out for the controllor he gives his runner 25% or 20% that's his business what he does. We the bank hold him responsible for his runner. We have all the runners names in the office if one of the runners is missing or his work don't come inwe send for the controller. We went pretty nice
- 405 - nice for about three weeks and then we got murdered. We were working in everyone of the partner's house, one week we work in my house, another week we work over Bobby's house and we had a jew boy for a partner and he had a partner, his name was Nick, and the guy that was banking he ran like a thief. Now we don't know what do do so we worked without any money and we were lucky but we looked around and we found another guy to back us up by this time we had about 600 dollars a day. We got notice that Charlie Lucky's father died and that night a bad number came out and the guy did not want to pay he got scared so we made all the hits overlook which means that we made believe we did not see the hits. We told the controller that there was hits and not to worry. we will pay tomorrow and we went to Charlie Lucky's wake, I mean his father. I don't remember where it was but it was either in Long Island or Brooklyn - I know it was pretty far from Harlem. When we got to Charlie's father's wake there was a big crowd and we sat. I'm pretty sure it was in the back garden. Charlie was not in sight but then he came and he walked over to us and he put his hand out to shake hands when Bobby Doyle said to Charlie, hey Charlie I want you to meet Joe and he had no chance to finish when Charlie blew up, what do you mean by trying to introduce me to one of my own boys. Bobby's face got ...
- 406 - other words Bobby was trying to impress me. Too bad Charlie had to go to jail, eh, Bobby. Now Charlie walks away and Bobby is talking in the other room and Charlie is comning towards me and hesays Joe you look sad what is wrong and I told him that we went broke with the numbers and he called a friend of his which was a friend of mine to and he said to Frank get together with Joe he got some number play and he went broke. So Frank said to me do you need any money and I said yes. He said will five thousand dollars help you. I said yes. Then Frank told me to go and see him tomorrow at 114 Street and Pleasant Ave. So when Bobby came over I told him all about what happened and he was kind of surprised. Well before we left that night Charlie said ot me you going to be all right. So I said thanks, Charlie. The next day I went and see Frank and he gave me the money. We paid out the hits and in a few days we were broke again and I went and see Frank again and he gave me more money, he gave me four thousand more and he told me not to worry you stay by yourselves for about another week and any money you need I will give it ot you and then we will get together, don't tell Bobby anything because it will look bad if it will get out. I said what will look bad and he said the numbers are going to be fixed and we will be in on it. ...
- 407 - to get together with me, he want you to make some money. Frank said its too bad you are with that guy he is a tough man to do business with. I was so much in a daze I could not make out what it was all about. Bobby Doyle is making himself a big guy with me and now I'm seeing that guys like Charlie Lucky ain't got much use for him. I didn't know then but I know now. Well anyway in about a week we got together and the first day we got together he had some more business and Frank had more so we had all together $2,500 business, that means $1,750 cash that day. Now Frank tells me to chart the work which means when I get the first number say it is seven, I go up the office and put on the board all the numbers that lead with a seven. Now in about one hour we will have five. Now the first two numbers are 75 and in one more hour we will get the last number before it comes out I let Frank know which number had the most money on it that particular day we had a number with 25 cents on it. I don't remember the number that day as it is too far back but we were hit for a quarter so we had to pay out one hundred and fifty dollars, deduct one hundred and fifty dollars from one thousand, seven hundred and fifty dollars and we win one thousand, six hundred and fifty dollars. Frank called Willie Moore in Jersey after I gave him the number with the most hits and the least hits. Now the business is ...
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- 421 - we get $16,200. Now one of the guys could not pay. They caught him taking a boat. His name I remember was Webb. He was the guy that got five years in the Kefauver Committee for perjury. Now anyone who could not pay say like Vito and Tony Bender paid for Webb. Then they will take the business and they will book it and make Webb a controller and that's how they will get all the business and that is the way Dutch Schultz worked and that is how he got all the business but he or anyone else could not do it to a member. Webb was an outlaw. Now Bobby and I ran into Vito Genovese and he sat us down and he told us that we are going to kill Dutch Schultz and he did not want us to look for him only if you come across him. Take your time there is no hurry and the Jews have been told so don't look for any trouble as I said only if you run into him, say like in some joint. Well we never ran into him and he was caught up with in Jersey about 4 months after. Vito told us after he was killed. Vito Genovese and Charlie Lucky and Mike Copollo took over all the numbers business the Dutchman had and they put a guy to run it by the name of Malone - he was an Irish guy. Now you know the real reason why they killed the Dutchman. I forgot to tell you that Ciro Morello was stripped out of his command and thus Dutch Schultz had no more backing of the ...
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- 423 - were killed in an office. Now I know of another boss that they caught in the Bronx - his name was Murray Marks. His downfall came as a result by parking in a certain garage that Tom Gagaliano owned. He had a flashy car and one of the guys who ran the garage checked on the license plates and found out it was registered to Murray Marks. They did not get him that night as by the time Tom got in touch with Charlie Lucky and told him about the discovery it took about two days. Now he will drive his car in the garage and then take a bus. Now they already had an apartment right near the garage and as Murray parked his car in the garage and then went to the bus stop to wait for the bus one man came out of the apartment which came I'll say from one block away. They rented this apartment as soon as they found out that Murray had parked his car in Tom's garage in order for this man to get close to Murray he had to pretend that he was a cripple and was in disguise and he was walking with a limp because Murray himself had a gun. The gunman had to disguise himself as Murray would had recognized him and he never would had got close to him. After they got Murray, Waxy Gordon made peace with Bugsey Seigle which he was known as Ben the Bug and Myer Lanskie. Ben the Bug later was killed in a California apartment by his own men as he went to California to take care of the
- 424 - motion picture union and as I was made to understand that he went crazy and was spending all of the mob money and was giving no one an account of his doings. He was going out with Jean Harlow and Virginia Hill. I must say that I knew Ben the Bug and I think that he was the handsomest man I ever met. He was about 6 feet tall and he had light complexion and a round face. I heard that he took out half of Hollywood. After this trouble Waxy Gordon wound up being a bum and he died in jail. I did not know him but I hear he was a fine guy. When we get free from the Pearl Street apartment, Bobby Doyle give me a proposition about a horse room in White Plains, New York. I went up there and I met a Jimmy Dolan and a fellow named Doc. Where in the world did I expect to find what I found - they had a horse room and it was one of the classiest horse rooms I ever saw. There were beautiful women, well dressed and very serious and all well to do, young and old. They will sit at their tables and you could not hear a sound from them, most of them were married and after the room was closed for the day they will go about their business and go home. Well I liked it and I put up all the money. I don't remember how much but enough to carry them in case they need it and Bobby and I got fifty per cent of the room. The ice wasn't much, by the ice I mean the connection Jimmy Dolan had and they had to
- 425 - be the police. I did not question them all I asked was, how much was the ice. I really don't remember. After I and Bobby left I did not go or call the horse room as I was busy with the numbers so I used to ask Bobby how was it going and he will say OK - one does not have time to be everywhere. We made an appointment and we went to White Plains on a Saturday and Jimmy looked downhearted so I asked him if anything was wrong and he said I better talk to Bobby so I asked Bobby what was wrong and he tells me that he was betting horses on the phone all week and he did not know that he lost so much money so I said what is that got to do with me and at the same time Doc had a puss on. Bobby said that he had no money and that he had went broke in the crap game on Lexington Ave., at 103 Street where Fat Butch had his game. Dolan said not only we lost the winning but also the bankroll and the ice is up for the month. So I asked Bobby haven't you got any money at all? He said the only money he had was the pay from the numbers that we had just got being it was on a Saturday. So I asked how much is involved and Jimmy told me I know it was over fifteen hundred, they had won pretty good that week or it would had been more. I said hey Bobby I'll put it up this time but I don't like this kind of business. I like to bet on horses to you know that don't you. He had his head down. So I told Him that he should take a ride to my ...
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- 427 - late I took it and I put it in my car and as I pulled up 114 Street Pleasant Ave., and as it was drizzling and I ran at the drop and I had my head down I ran right into the police - they were the commissioner's confidental squad - and you cannot do any business with them. So I was arrested and when my case came up my record did not show up in court. I don't know how they did it but I got a suspended sentence. Before I went to court I had went and see Steve Francis from the 181 Club at 11 Street and First Ave., and he took care of everything. The name of the police boss was Carberry. Now while we are busy here and there and Bobby and I used to go on Broadway every night we ran into Charlie Lucky and he again told me if I am not happy down there with Tony Bender, I should let him know so I told him that I will let him know. He must had known something or maybe Tom Gagilano might have been telling Charlie, you remember I used to be with Tom Gagiliano when I started, and you remember how close I was with Tom. I wanted to tell Charlie but I was worried that Vito and Tony might find out I wanted to get to know Charlie more before I would tell him. I sure hope that I would had told him now I find out that they made a council of six, meaning they made a new board. It was to protect the soldier, in ...
- 428 - of his soldiers killed just because he did not like him. It meant that if a soldier did anything wrong he will get a trial and be judged by seven men. I don't remember who the seventh man will be cause it had to be 7 in case there will be a three and three tie then the seventh man will decide the decision. Everyone was glad to hear about the council. They knew soldiers were being killed for nothing through the years. Near the end of this story I will explain everything in detail how the old and the new operate. I'll put it all in rotation. Now they kill an Irish guy in Brooklyn. His name was Vinnie Higgens. He was the king of the bootlegged and they took over his business and Tony Bender used to sit in his office and take orders all day long from all the hot spots in the Village. He sat there like a king you would think that he killed everyone on earth and he took over everything. The only time I agree with Vito is when in Atlanta he once told me that he, Vito, made Tony Bender a tough guy. For that Vito I give you right. Now some kid comes and see me and he tells me that he can make a lot of money by lending out fifty and hundred dollars so I tell him no good and he comes around with his brother and I knew his brother from being in Sing Sing Prison with him. He was the guy that was in the dormatory bath- ...
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- 443 - guards or anyone else as they all loved him. As I understand Charlie did not want any part of such a thing. I must say that I felt bad. He was the only one who made an attempt to take care of me. I must tell the truth I said to myself it had to be Charlie why couldn't it happened to someone else anyone, I did not care who. Every time I get someone who is interested in me I lost him, who could blame me, I felt really bad. Well he goes to trial and he gets found guilty and he gets 30 to 60 years. At least that's what I think he got. Well after ten years Governor Dewey pardons him and sends him to Italy and while he was in Italy he was not there too long when he changes a rule, he sent word to the U. S. that he does not want to recognize the members in Italy and he does not want them recognized in the United States, in other words he does not want anything to do with the Italians in Italy and his reason was they are troublers and besides they work two ways, meaning they work with the police and the underworld. He was still boss all the time he was away. After he went away Willie Moore in Fort Lee, New Jersey, was acting boss for a while then they elected Frank Costello to act as boss but only acting boss until Charlie sent word in the early fifties that he had resigned and that made Frank Costello automatically Boss. I remember it was at one of our daily Christman gatherings when ...
- 444 - later on. Now with Charlie in trouble and in jail I was in trouble with Tony Bender and Bobby Doyle. I thought that it was only Tony Bender and Bobby Doyle but it was also Vito Genovese as one of the boys in Harlem from 116 Street happened to meet Vito on Broadway in some joint and he told Vito Genovese that Bobby Doyle is giving Joe Cago a hard time and Vito Genovese answered this guy and told him to mind his own business. When the guy told me about it I hardly used to go downtown. I could tell you who this fellow was that tried to talk to Vito but it will not be fair as he is still alive and I will put the fellow in trouble. Altough this fellow won't care but greed Vito is still the boss unless we keep him in jail. God forbid if he gets out on the street there will be more blood shed. Now I'll go back to the numbers business with my friend Bobby Doyle. Now I know all this and I make believe I don't know anything, I figure as long as he, Bobby, wants to act the way he does, I remember that he caused the death of three former partners. I used to ask him about his former partner and he will tell me all about it and I will listen to him and make him think that I will admire him. What fools these power crazy guys are, it ain't not even funny. He is jealous of everything I do. I did not want to do anything wrong as I knew they were dying for me to do something wrong. I was starting to hang out with kids and now that I ...
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- 446 - paprt as working with the underworld and I'm going to tell you why I accuse them and I'm going ahead of my story being I was talking about my wife. I figured I just as well tell it now. Bobby Doyle and Tony Bender, right name Anthony Strolla, were trying to kill me legally by that I mean so they will have a case for the council. Somehow they spread a rumor to my in-laws that I killed my father-in-law but they knew that I did not. The idea of thos propaganda was to get me away from my in-laws. I knew this all the time but I could not tell my wife or the in-laws how did I know. Well is was obvious I was talking to Tony Bender once and he was telling me why don't I get away from that family, meaning my in-laws, so I asked him why and he tells me that if he told me why my hair will come off so I told him that I loved my wife and if I lose her I do not care to live anymore and he said is that the way you feel. I said yes. Good thing to know he said. Then I said you know Tony I know no fear when it comes for people to put their business into my personal affair. I said to Tony you know Tony my wife gets a lot of phone calls did you ever hear of anything like it, I said Well he said you go around with girls and I said don't you go around with girls, he said yes and then I asked does your wife get any phone calls? He said no and then I just looked at him. Now
- 447 - You see by me having a family, meaning my wife and her family, I will have someone who will be looking for me but if I didn't have anyone they could bury me without consulting the council. In other words, they will do it on their own. Ain't I right Bobby, I can't ask Tony as he is dead and no lost sleep on my part. Now I will go on with my story and I will tell you later on as to who ordered Tony Bender's death and where is he. Now you see why I accuse this Paper for working with the underworld. Somehow the Gap made me meet a nice guy and his name was Johnnie Roberts. At this time they owned a night club on Broadway somewhere in the Fifties, called the Seven Eleven Club. I will be one day with the Gap and the next day God knows whom I'll be with but it was one guy or another. Johnnie Roberts is one of the sweetest guys I ever met. He used to hang out down at the Villege and he was partner with Tony Bender and he had a couple of hot spots. He owned a place called the Villege Inn and he had a couple of clubs one or two on 52nd Street on the West Side, they were located between Sixth and Seventh Ave. on the same block where Leon and Eddie's and he had a big still going for him - it was down at the Washington Market. I don't know where as you don't dare ask anyone where is he got his still. Now I
- 448 - meet a couple of kids from the Bronx and they are very serious kids and they are about 22 years old. One guy's name Mike and the other is Paul and they ask me if I know anyone who is got a still as they would like to have the output. By the output I mean they want to buy all the alcohol that Johnnie makes and bootleggers like to give it to one man. I told them that I will let them know. So I speak to Johnnie and he tells me he is got someone so I tell him, meaning Mike, that they have someone and if anything turns up they would have me in mind. So Mike asked me if it was Johnnie Roberts that I spoke to. I asked hom how did they know and they said that they are in alcohol business and word gets around as who is operating stills. I see I said. Bobby Doyle finds out that I asked Johnnie for the output and he comes and he tells me that he can get the output so I asked how. He said that he can talk to Tony Bender and Tony will tell Johnnie to give it to us. Now you the reader would see that I can't get anything down there unless Bobby Doyle gets a piece of anything that I can make any money. I accept Bobby's offer and we get the output. When I see Johnnie in the Villege Inn and now I'm going down there a couple of times a week and Johnnie tells me I could have the output and he said Joe I'm sorry I did not give it to you the first time but he has to take orders from
- 449 - Bobby. I didn't say anything to Johnnie but I laughed to myself. I became a tough guy and got into the mob so that Bobby Doyle can shake me down. Well I make believe that I do not notice it. Now he is bagging to these two boys from the Bronx and being we stop on Tremont Ave. every day before we do downtown, as we are still in the numbers business, and Mike and Paul started to come on Tremont Ave. whenever we will be there they would call and then come over and pay us for the alcohol and Bobby will take the money and he would bring it to Johnnie. We were earning about five hundred a week as long as it would last. The numbers were holding their own and things will go that way. Every day I was taking care of the numbers and when I was through I will take care of my shylocking business. I didn't not have much but something here and something there is the way to do - that's what I thought. Now I'm going to tell you how I worked the shylocking business. I don't care whether anyone believes me or not but when someone came for a loan I will ask how much do you want and he will say five hundred dollars and then I would ask him how much could you afford to pay he will tell me how much do you want. I will say it ain't what I want, I don't want to hurt you, make it easy for yourself and he would say what do you usually
- 450 - get I would say look I want you to pay what you can afford to day it is costing you a hundred dollars and at the end of the week I don't want you to say I can't pay here is ten dollars and ship me this week. Oh I see the guy will say. Gee can you make it 35 dollars a week. I will way it won't hurt you, 35 dollars a week and he will say I can pay it wasy. Now I never had any trouble and if the guy could not pay and I will pass him by for a couple of weeks. I never charged him extra and I never lost a dime and no one had to run on my account. Now you have heard all kinds of stories about shylocking but I made it a business out of it. The proof is that in all the years that I shylocked I never got in trouble with the law. After all it was not the only thing that I was doing it was side money and besides if anyone thinks otherwise they can always check with the police as the police every now and then they will tell me hey Joe everyone talks good about you. They say you are the best shylocking guy around in the long run. I was in the shylocking business and the rough ones had to stop after all once the police get a complaint they must act or the D.A. will act. I was in business for a long long time, not steady but through the years and if I needed money I will go to another shylock and borrow any amount I wanted. I borrowed from a guy 116 Street his name was Paul and
- 451 - he will charge me 10% and I will charge 20% and I had to make good the loss. I am telling you the truth now if anyone don't believe me than you can check in New York City. I have no reason to lie I am telling you my life story and I must tell you the truth or I will look bad and I ain't aiming to look bad in the shylocking business if I could not back up what I'm telling you I son'e say it at all. After all I ain't the dumbest guy in the world. Thank you people as you have been swell to me as I received a couple of hundred fan mail. Now I hear that Vito went to Italy and I find out that he went on the lam in the Abe Relas case and they lock up some guys which I did not know and still don't know the reason why I know is because Johnnie Roberts had a gone on 90 Elizabeth Street and I used to go there since Bobby and I had to bring money to Johnnie Roberts from the alcohol and everytime I went there I will leave word in Harlem where I was going. I didn't even know myself that I had a following and at least a half dozen guys will come down to the game when they heard that I was going to the game. I did not shoot crap but I will hang around until Johnnie came around sometimes. Bobby will stay and sometimes he would leave. Now this particular night I was there alone by that I mean there was no boss at the game around only the ...
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- 478 - a man and then take his wife, men who would only think about money, men who live on the poor soldiers while you sit back and have plenty of time while the soldier is too busy stepping on every bodies toes no matter how wrong he is so long as you are behind him the book of rights is thrown in the river. As long as you have a piece of whatever it may be. And they don't know that you want men that did not earn their buttons. Let me talk the way they talk so that I will feel at home. They don't know that you put aside good men because they won't go out and hustle for you because they feel they done their share. They don't know that you look for young blood the way you told me in Atlanta. You remember when you said what were you doing with Champ Segal he is old and what can you get out of him and Ralph Wanger was there when you said it. I'll tell you plenty about Ralph at the end of this book. We see what kind of a good judgment you have about men what do you know about men. All you know is money. Well Vito when you spoke that way you forgot that you yourself is an old man and I'm old but when someone calls you an old man you get mad. Why Vito? Tell me why. They don't know that after a soldier gets old as you say you put him on the side if he got money he is alright, if he ain't then he is out of luck. They don't know that you don't sleep at ...
- 479 - you made Tony Bender and how Tony Bender used to serve you like you made Dominick the Sailor Lt. What happened Vito you took him out and you put Patty Rye, Tommy Rye's brother, in place of Dom the Sailor. Did Dom the Sailor earn it? Did Patty Rye earn it? Did Tommy Rye earn it? Tell us about it. Tell us how they earned it. We want to listen. Tell us you ought to know you know everything, don't you tell us how you have men killed and they say that they were rats because you got to say that they are rats because of the council. You don't want a bad name do you? Of course not. Tell us who did Steve Francis rat on the partner you had at the 181 Club. Telus. You don't want to say the truth you don't want to say that you blame him for your wife Ann's doings. Your wife Ann was a good woman Vito you are too much of a nagger you know what I mean. Tell the Chin how you were mad because he missed Frank Costello and then how happy you were when you made up with Frank Costello because he knows people. I can tell you now you did not need to shoot Frank to become boss - all you had to do was call Frank and tell him that you want to be boss he would had gave it to you. I'm surprised at you. I really am. You make so much noise. Now I'll tell the readers how you sent Tony Wayo crazy. You put him on the side although you knew he was a good man. You put him
- 480 - on the side for fear he may go out of hand and he used to sit in the Thomason Street office and you let him meet all the new boys but you never made him a member. How come Vito: You were afraid he might get some power. Vito do I know Tony Wago? Of course not, your friend Bobby Doyle told me all about him. Now you see I never told you anything about what Bobby Doyle told me about your mob that I joined. He told me all about you enough to run and then he will come and tell you everything that I will say and he will add plenty. You see how smart you are you didn't care how anyone feels you are the power but I hope to take care of your power and throw it in the river and I'm going to try my best to break up that mob of yours and let the Americanized boys alone. Now I want to warn Anna that was Vito's wife and as she stood up for me when I married and I find her a wonder- ful person - I want her to know that Vito is having her tailed so be careful. Anna he loves you but he ain't got the guts to come and let you know how he feels. He is worried as to what the mob might think. He must keep his pride. He asked me in Atlanta if I ever heard anything about his wife. I told him I did not. He was happy to hear it. Anna and he was crying. Anna what did he do to you? I remember when you told me that night when we went out the four of us that if Vito tells you that it is
- 481 - raining and you knew the sun is out you will believe him. You loved him so much what happened Anna, did he kill your love the way he killed mine. In the end of this story I will tell you what he did to me and how he killed my love for him. I'll give you a hint now then I will tell you the rest in the end of this story. I'll only tell you that he listened to two rats one had his name, he was Vito Agueci and the other was Ralph Wagner. I will tell you all about them and let me tell you another thing, you remember we talked how smart he was well, Anna, he ain't smart any more I lived with him for a couple of months. I ought to know. Now I'll go on with my story. We were going to the race track every day and we will meet in the Hollywood Restaurant. They had a fine show and we got to know all of the girls. I never saw eight girls so evenly matched all the same size and all about 5 feet three or four and all pretty than dolls. One of the used to play Sadie Thompson and she used to do it with Billy Vine. He was a wonderful comedian. I don't see or hear about him anymore and I don't hear about Bert Froman any more either. My friend Gene had a girl and I had met one girl but she did not come from the Hollywood, she came from the 19 hole down in the Villege and Johnnie and Tony also owned this ...
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- 584 - they had so many burglaries that they started to put the stamps in the bank at night and put them back in the offices in the day just as though it was cash. Now the OPA men were the connection and they were making a lot of money some deals that they made amounted to a couple of thousand dollars. Now there was stamps that were supposed to be burned. They were the stamps that the gas stations turned in. Now wherever it was that they burned then I know it was in Jersey some where, guys were going there to get a job so that they could steal the stamp and make money. Those stamps were what we call washout. Even though there was the car number on every stamp it did not make any difference. Some of those guys got rich going and working where they burn the stamps. I don't know what they called the place but all I know they were very little burned, the stamps kept going back and forth. When I learned all about the business I found out that one bad buy can't break you, first of all if the price was high and they ran high, for instance, a guy will tell you that all he had was one hundred thousand gallons of gas ration stamps and the market is about 22 cents and the same guy who sells you the stamps calls another guy or maybe a couple of guys it will hurt you once you make a deal, a deal is a deal one cannot do anything about it. They will tell you it is your hard luck we got stuck with them. So I got together with the main guys in the
- 585 - business and I will call them before I made any buys. My phone bill during the stamp days sometimes came to a hundred dollars There was only three guys in New York that will lay out any amount of cash but the three of them got together and they made the market. How will they make the market it was easy. They did not sell to everybody, if someone went to them and wanted to make a buy they will tell him we ain't got anything but I think that Joe is got something. Then the guy will call me and put me wise and he will tell me what to charge when he come, if he came, I will tell him that I only have a small amount if you want them all I'll give them to you. If he took them and I was really short then I will call the guy that called me. I know a lot of guys that got ruined especially a certain stamp called B2. The boys in Jersey called everyone but the wise guys they called all in between guys and the people in Jersey told each and every one of them were getting a break when one of these guys called me once and he told me that he was the only one who had them I told him that I will call him in about fifteen minutes. When I made my call I called the guy back and I told him, Max be careful they are all over the city. He told me that it could not be. Max I said you know that I haven't any stamps so why should I kid you get out and start selling because there are millions of B2 all over the city. Later I found out the people in Jersey had six million gallons. The way
- 586 - I understand they came direct from the OPA office. In one day the market went down from 7 cents to two cents. Go and get even if a guy bought say 100 thousand he loses 5 thousand dollars. One goes in business to make money not invest and then close almost everything. What if a guy bought a couple of hundred thousand, see what I mean. Now this was not the only stamp around there was shoe, sugar, meat, oil, canned goods and maybe a few more kind of stamps and there was also counterfeit stamps of all kind. I never put on hand any other stamp but gas stamps. Everything else was dangerous and I never fool around with any counterfeit stamps. I'm going to tell you about my garage man. He kept asking me for meat stamps. I told him that I'll see what I can do. I find out that there was nothing around only counterfeit. He said don't bother. I said don't worry I won't bother I wasn't going to be crazy. I'm doing fine who needs counterfeit. Well he finally got some meat stamps, at least that is what he told me. I asked him if they were good stamps. He said that they were but although it did not sound right to me but I forgot about it. Not long after he told me I read in the papers that he got arrested for the counterfeit meat stamps. That night when I pulled in the garage I saw his brother and as he had to drive me home I asked him what happened. Herman and he told me Gee Joe you are a good fellow so I took the hint and I said to him
- 587 - did Herman tell you that I told him that the meat stamps are all counterfeit. Yes he said he told me and I told him, why don't you listen to Joe he knows what he is doing but Herman told his brother that the guy who gave him the stamps did not know that they were counterfeit. Well that's why one has to know what he is doing they ain't going to sell me counterfeit meat stamps and tell that they good when they not. That is the catch in this business. One must not fool and mislead another for the sake of a few dollars. You know what I mean. He just shook his head. The next night I pulled in the garage Herman was there he said Hello to me and he also told me you are a good fellow Joe. Well Herman I said I don't want to rub it in but I told you that there were no good meat stamps around and when you told me that they were good well what can I say you see Herman if it was I who got arrested for counterfeit there won't be any bail on me. You see what I mean you got a thousand dollar bail. What made you so desperate that you had to get those meat stamps. He said the bum parks in this garage and he use to bother me every night. Well we stopped in front of my building and we talked for a while then he said so long Joe I may never see you again. He said that he disgraced the family and that he is going away and sell his share in the garage. That afternoon when I called for the car one of the help delivered the car to me and he told me did you hear about Herman
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- 664 - The old man assured me that he will get the horse back. I told the old man I have a lot of respect for Mr. Millen but I gave you the horse. I would had not come back in the horse business if it were not for you. Do you want that I should tell him. He said no but I did anyway. I told Mr. Millen that' things are not so good in New York and at this time we had a jobbing business on Fifty Second Street on Tenth Ave. we were selling jukeboxes, pin ball machines and what we call roll downs, they are the machines that have the big balls and look like pin balls games. Some of the Roll Downs are in the style of bowling pins, just like bowling alley. Mr. Millen assured me that he will not hurt me for any amount of money in the world just give me a few more races with this horse and if I don't make good I'll return him over to the old man. I know this is a tough horse to train and the boys tell me he is a tough horse to ride ome of them will not ride him for any amount of money. I asked shy and he said that Son of Tarra can wheel and stop on a dime and if he don't like his rider that is just what he will do. I wonder if the reader realize how much one has to know to own horses. Frank left the business in such bad shape that I was prepared to tell the people at the table that I was forced to borrow 10 thousand dollars in order to put the restaurant in shape. All I had to do was paid fifty dollars a week and that was easy because I will not feel it and besides I wanted to make a success out of
- 665 - the business and I figured it out how much it will cost me and it was still a bargain. I was ready to borrow the money from a business man that I don't care to mention his name. I was going to spring this surprise, especially when Frank was on the table. After three or four postponements the hearing was held and before the hearing I had asked Willie Morelli to keep this whole mess away from Vito Genovese because I felt because of Vito being my coupe I did not want him or anyone else to think that I took advantage because he Vito had just got back from Italy and he had just beaten a murder case. Maybe I felt that he would had been more hard on me, who knows buy I felt better knowing that he Vito was in the building we were all hanging around the restaurant and Frank made it his business to get close to me and numbled to me. He said I knew you reported it and I told him if you don't get out of here I'll start with you in here you double crossing bum. What did you think I trusted you. I must explain to the reader if Frank did not report it then Tony Bender would had kept his mouth shut. We are all called in the restaurant room and there was Tony Bender, Frank, Charley Brush, who represented Frank, Albert Anastasia, who was the boss because Charlie Brush could not handle this affair and beside Charlie Brush was only acting Lt. for Joe Riccibone, as Joe Riccibone was in the hospital. Albert Anastasia started to do the talking and he started with me. He first said to me
- 666 - you know that you could start a war by what you did and there is no excuse for a guy like you. You know all the rules and you know what will happen if you did not take the law into your own hands but from right you are wrong. Frank tried to talk at this moment but he was told to keep his mouth shut. I was told not to talk no matter what Albert says. Then Albert said well let not make a long story out of it. He asked who wants the restaurant and Frank said that he wanted it but Albert told him you had it and you burned it up now I want to know from you Frank what kind of shape is the restaurant in. Frank said in bad shape. Al said right back, bad shape, eh. Frank put his head down and Al told him you are lucky to as I said Al said lets end it and asked Frank how much have you got in the restaurant and Frank said twice 67 hundred because my son had a third and he has the same amount of money in the restaurant as I got, so with that Al looked at me and said give him a couple of thousand dollars and Frank tried to say something and Al said take what I said or you don't get anything. Frank asked me if he will get it in cash. I told him after I straighten out with all the bills if there is any cash left, if not, you will have to wait. He made a funny face. As it was about to break up I said to Al how about the license. He said it is good yotrought it out. Al said to Frank you make sure the license stays under your son'i name and if you do anything ...
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- 670 - collecting enough money on the route to support the office. Now there was talk that Mayor O'Dwyer was going to throw the machines out and everyone was afraid to buy. We spoke to the president of the union and he and some of the union officials went to see the Mayor and the Mayor promised them that he will not touch the machines. That wasn't good enough so Tony Bender had someone talk to the Mayor and he made the same promise. Now we are sure that the machines are going to stay. We started to give machines out on credit and we were doing a tremendous business but no money was coming in only the route was supporting the office. After a few months the operators started to pay their bills so for a while things were picking up and we started to build up our route. We are collecting about a thousand dollars a week and after we pay our help and all other expenses we put the balance in the bank. The prices on the machines were: Roll Downs from 250 dollars to 450 dollars, the Pinballs from 50 dollars to 250 dollars and the jukeboxes new sold for 675 dollars, cost us 575 dollars. Max goes to Chicago to see if he can tie up some good machines, by that I mean to guy a certain machine that was a good number. If we will tie it up it would mean that no one else will have that machine, then if any other jobber wanted that type of machine he would have to buy it from us. If he tried to get it from Chicago they will refer them to us, but Max came back and all he tied up was
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- 761 - Lido because he had to go somewhere around the neighborhood of the Lido so I want to tell you to forget all about who gave the information to the Senator because I'm telling you its got to be that guy because you did not tell me where you went. You told me that you were going to the Del Rip up in Yonkers, not at Amando's Restaurant. Yes Charlie you are right. I did not tell you that they called you a rat in fact I did not tell you anything at all. OK Charlie I said let's break it up and we did. Someone called me at the Lido Restaurant and told me that Joe Stutz hit my nephew Fiore Siano at least he was my nephew at the time but I don't want to know him as a nephew anymore. Of course, it had to be one of his friends that called me. I had always instructed Fiore, Joe Pagano and Pat Pagano that if ever Trigger Mike Cappola boys ever take a punch at anyone of them as they Mike's boys had a habit of turning to go and get a gun and shoot him. The caller had told me on the phone where it had happened it was in the old Aida Restaurant. It had a new name and it was owned by one of the boys. All I remember is that I used to call the bar and restaurant Joe Lanaza Place. I get in the car and I drive to 114 Street and Second Ave., that was where Joe Lanaza place was. I wik in the bar and I find Fiore, Joie and Pat and of course Joe Lanza. I asked them what happened and they asked me how did I find out. I told them that one of your friends called me
- 762 - at the Lido. Pat does most of the talking and he tells me that they, Pat, Joe and Fiore had an argument with a couple of the boys at 117 Street and First and Pleasant Ave., and after the argument they, Pat, Joe and Fiore, left 117 Street and they went to Joe Lanza's Place. After they were in Joe Lanza place a little while Joe Stutz walked in Joe Lanza's Place and he took a punch at Fiore because of the argument they had at 114 Street and First and Pleasant Ave. I asked them what did they do about it so Joe Lanza called me on the side and he told me that he caught Pat's arm in time. Pat had gone out and got a gun and he was about to shoot Joe Stutz right in the head. Joe Stutz was so drunk that he did not notice it. I asked if they knew where Joe Stutz was at this time. Joe Lanza spoke and he said that every- thing was alright and that he, Joe Lanz had straightened it out. I said everything is not straighten out good for you. Pat yell at me come on I know where he is and the four of us left Joe Lanza Bar and we went to Lizzy Bar at 116 Street and Second Ave. Joe Stutz was there and the first thing he said as we walk in the bar, Gee Joe I'm sorry I did not know that he is your nephew. Yes, I said, all of you guys are got the same habit when you are in the wrong, you know how to cop out but if it was you in my place you won't hesitate to run and report it. Well anyway one day you would find out how lucky you were
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- 771 - on Crescent Ave. and I saw Frank Scalice. As I walked in his brother's candy store Frank greeted me and he had a big smile on his face. He put his arms around me and he orders black coffee for us and he said I can't under- stand why you are having so mucy trouble with my boys. I'm going to have a talk with them. I said, Frank I'm going to tell you the truth, you are doing all this because you put these bums in the outfit and they all are getting power crazy but I ain't going to take any nonsence from them. I don't care at what cost. I understand, Frank Scalice said, the boys bring me their names and they tell me that they are good fellows and I put them on the list. It's a good thing I did not put in the other list that I have, I'm going to stop. They are giving me too much trouble and we started to talk old times and he goes on to tell me that why don't I pay attention down town as they are the ones who rule. I told him, Frank I try so hard but they, the people down town, won't give me a chance. They want one to bring every cent he earns. They have no heart, how can anyone put up with it. I can't understand, I tell Frank, I don't think that you are going to have any peace. I told him that he is a smart man and you know things are going to the dogs. I was hearing talk around here and there and Frank was getting the rap of buying members into Cosa Nostra but I did not mention it to him but I was talking all around it and he seemed to understand.
- 772 - He went on to tell me that he thought that he was going to Italy and he thinks that he is going to stay there in Italy because Frank and Charlie Lucky were good friends from the old days. He was talking very sad. He himself knew that things did not look any too good. Well, we had a few drinks as the candy store sold whiskey and I told him, Frank you ought to come to the Lido every now and then so that your boys will see that you are interested in me and they won't try and get smart. They are new and as I told you they think there is only one tough guy around and when they pick on a guy that knows a little more than them they wind up by making you look bad. You not kidding, he said, I'm going to talk to all of them he said. With that as I was going away Tony Anastasia walks in the candy store and as I never had met Tony before Frank introduce me to Tony and we went on the corner in a restaurant and we had something and we spoke for about a half hour but nothing of any importance. Tony did most of the talking and he was talking about the docks and how he gives everyone a fair deal, all that sort of stuff. I shook hands with him and I wish him luck with the union and I left. That was the end of me having anymore trouble with any of his men. I must tell I only had a misunderstanding with Frank's brother- in-law and even then I was right again. He was a guy that never had a cent
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- 798 - feel good, eh, Vito when you need any money all you need to do is ask Frank because you don't want to spend any of yours no matter how much you have. Later I'll tell you how Vito was blowing his top because no one wanted to listen to him when he started to talk about killing Frank Costello. Oh Vito how I know you but I never thought that you were so conceited no never. That is the story of Willie Moore Moretti. Vito had it done as a mercy killing. He knew it won't had been hard to pass it through the council because Willie wasn't the best liked guy in the world and he Vito worked under the table to have the council vote in his favor as far as Solly Moore was concerned. So Solly Moore died in jail, because he became sick. I hope the readers would understand me as to what I am telling them. Later I'll tell how Vito worked on Frank Costello and Albert Anastasia. Around the end of 1952 Tony Bender sent for me. Of course by this time you all know that Tony Bender was a Lt. I went to the Thomson Street and I was told that Tony was in Rocco's Restaurant, an Italian Restaurant. I walked in Rocco's and Tony was eating and he asked me to sit down and have something to eat. I don't remember if I had something to eat or not. He was very calm and I don't recall if anyone else was sitting with Tony. After I was in the restaurant about ten minutes Tony said to me that Gene Giannini is an informer
- 799 - for the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. That he, Tony, got the information from Eddie that the information that Eddie gave him was kind of a surprise to him he could not figure out why he Tony was not informed by his own people but then Tony said well its not our affair. He said that Charlie Lucky Luciano had sent word that Gene had been an informer for the past 17 years and Tony told me that Charlie Lucky said that Gene is the smartest stool pigeon that ever lived kill him and whoever comes and fronts for him. Gene had just gotten back from Italy and of course Gene tried to get close to Charlie Lucky but as I understand Charlie Lucky had very good connection in Italy with the law and he Charlie Lucky was tipped off but Charlie was very nice to Gene as he did not want Gene to get wise that he Charlie knew something and I also was told that when Gene arrived here from Italy that Gene was greeted at the airport by the agents and that Gene told the agents that they the agents made a big mistake by them the agents allowing Gene to try and get close to Charlie Lucky. Gene felt in his heart that Charlie was wise to him. Tony asked me if Gene owned me any money. I said a couple of thousand of dollars and Tony warned me to be careful that I should not try and save the money if I were you Tony said to me that I would forget about the money. He Tony asked me how does Gene owe you the money. I said its an old debt before he went to Italy, it was a shylock loan but I did not
- 800 - do business direct with Gene I am really not sure how it went. Well I'm going to forget all about the money. That's it Tony said. I did not see Gene at all, in fact I made it my business not to see him. About two months later Tony called me or sent word to me that he, Tony, wanted to see me at the Gold Key Club, Tony owned the Gold Key Club. Tony said to me that those guys that are with Gene claim that they can't find Gene. Gee Tony said I hope you did not make any mistake by tipping off Gene just so that you can save your money. Well I said to myself, already they are making some excuse to blame me if something goes wrong. Gee I said to myself they never let up on me. I looked at Tony for a while and then I said, well if they can't find him I'll find him. Tony said that he would have to see the old man so I said should I come down tomorrow night or should I wait a few dais. He said call me tomorrow night late at the Gold Key Club. So the following night I called Tony and he told me to go ahead as he saw the old man and that the old man liked the idea because especially that Charlie had sent word. Then Tony told me that if I cared I could stop at the Club that he would be in the Club until five o'clock in the morning. I did stop there in the late hours of the morning and I parked about four or five blocks away from the club as we knew that the law was taking every ones number of their cars that stopped at the Gold Key Club regardless what car stopped at the Club. When I entered the Club, Tony waved me on a side table and asked
- 801 - me who I was going to use on the Gene's affair. I told him that I did not make up my mind yet. I told him that I was not sure. Gee, he said, you mean to tell me that you did not make up your mind yet. Gee, Tony, I told him, you only told me tonight or rather this morning to go ahead. I did not even see anyone yet, the reason why I did not want to tell Tony who I had in mind was that I wanted him to think that I had so many guys that I could not make up my mind as I said before they were always worrying about me and they always wanted to know who I had with me. This way they can steal them on me the way they always did. I figured that I make Tony to a little thinking but after I use the boys I must tell him who I used because they, the boys, that I would use would be proposed to become a member later on when the books will be opened. The next day I sent Joey down to Tony Bender to get some guns. Tony had someone give Joey the guns and Joy brought the guns up in Harlem and he kept them in Harlem until they needed them. I don't know where he kept them because I did not ask him. Now the first thing that I did was tell Joey to meet me in the Bronx in the Lido Restaurant. Then we left the Lido Restaurant and I went to a corner bar on Westchester Ave. and from the bar I called Gene and I told Gene to meet me on Westchester Ave. as he knew the place and I did not mention my name on the phone. Gene knew my voice by just hearing me talking on the phone. He ...
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- 803 - in his pocket and he showed me that he had only twenty dollars so I hand him two more twenty dollar bills and I told him that he had enough to take her out. I remember her name and I don't think it is proper to mention her name as it is so long ago and she may be married and why should I start trouble. Well Gene got close to her and that gave Joey and I a chance to leave so we left and as we walked to our car we saw the other car parked at least a block away but we did not look at them until we got into my car and I pulled away like a demon and I made sure that they did not follow us. After we felt that we were not being tailed Joey was saying that he could not get over the experience that he went through tonight - he was referring to the remark that Gene made about how he felt. Joey was saying that Gene knows that he done wrong by going over to Charlie Lucky house in Italy. I said yes, Joe, he certainly did do wrong. He must had gone out of his mind not knowing that the agents Gorge White and Siragusa forced Gene to try and get something on Charlie Lucky. In fact when Gene came back from Italy I met him I don't remember where and I remember him, Gene, telling me that he met Charlie Lucky in Italy so I asked him if he knew Charlie Lucky when Charlie was here in the States and Gene said that he did not know Charlie when Charlie was here in the States. Then I said to him and how did you get the nerve to go to his house. He said he went with someone that knew Charlie
- 804 - and then we dropped the subject and I went on my way. Now a week or so passed and one of the kids comes over to the bar and he tells me that Gene is working in the game in Harlem. I asked him if he was sure, he said that he was. So the next night I take a ride down at the Gold Key Club and I do the same thing, I park about a block away and Tony is not there but they tell me that Tony would be in the club any minute so I sit at the table and I wait for him. Everyone was busy sitting here and there. I ordered something to eat and Tony walked in the Club in about an hour and he sits on my table and I tell Tony what happened when I called Gene and I tell him that Gene is working at the crap game, he is working at the drop - the drop means that when players come they would go to the drop first and when there is say about eight or ten players someone from the drop will walk them over to the crap game. When Tony hears the story he says this guy is dangerous you know what you do Tony telle me call me tomorrow at the Club and I would see the old man and I'll see what he says and I would let you know if the old man says that it is OK to get him at the drop of the crap game. I will just say OK, if not then. I would ask you to come down-by the old man Tony meant Vito Genovese. The next night I call Tony and he told me OK so I hung up. The next day I got in touch with the kids and I told Pat Pagano to make a get away from 112 Street a building that ...
- 805 - a building from 111 Street and they should have their car parked at the 111 Street Building. Now I come with you I want to make sure that everything is OK. I met the boys the following night and Gene was sitting in front of the drop entrance and as we rode around the block I asked Pat is he went through the building in the afternoon. He said, gee he forgot but we will be alright I know the building. I said no good drive me to my car and I called the whole thing off. The next night I came down and Pat tells me that he went through the building and that everything is all set. Fine I hang around in a bar but before I did I made one of the guys follow me in the Bronx and I parked my car at Castle Hill Ave. I came down again and when it was two o'clock in the morning I got tired as Gene did not show up so I asked one or two of the guys to drive me up to the Lido and they drove back to Joe Lanza Bar at 114 Street and Second Ave. In about an hour or more I don't remember Fiore Siano calls me and tells me that he just got there by he Fiore meant Gene as we did not want to mention his name on the phone. I tell Fiore to go ahead and see him he knew what I meant. About a half hour later or more I really did not check, Fiore calls me and he tells me that they saw him and that they are going away for a couple of days so I get in my car and I drove to Harlem to see whatever I could see. When I passed 112 Street on Second Ave. where the drop was I see that there wasn't a soul around. Of ...
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- 808 - people that I have the highest respect for. Well I said to myself if I get a chance I would tell Tommy and I don't care what the boys think from the way I understand it after a while that Paulie Ham had gave Gene a job in the crap game and they themselves were going to take care of Gene. The story that they gave me was all baloney by they I mean Tony Bender and from the way Vito expressed himself that he wanted the first punch that it was his idea for Tony to tell me that they, the other mob, could not find Gene. Vito knew my reaction if Tony tells me that they are afraid that I might tip Gene off because of the couple of thousand dollars that Gene owed me. Vito knows that I under- stand anyone getting a rap tipping anyone off in a case like Gene's case that I am in danger of my own life that is why I said if they can't find him I'll find him. I would had never taken the contract if I did not think that Vito was trying to put me in a jam. I did not know what to think believe me I was not so happy about the whole thing. First of all, all the other boys were mad at me but I can't understand why they get mad at me whenthey are in a position to know that if I take a contract that it must had been given to me by my bosses. I know why they were mad at me because I am the weak they can't say anything to Vito but take it out of me that's why I was so disgusted with down town. They always have a motive whenever they asked me to do something. Always give me the
- 809 - dirty work so that I won't have any friends anywhere. That is the way Vito operates. He take all his time he did not start with me until Tom Galigaino and a couple of more that I had watched over me this would be about the third or fourth time that I got in trouble by my bosses telling me to do something and then leave me holding the bag. I like to know how much one can push a man all the way until we met in Atlanta and there he tried the same thing which I would talk about near the end of the story. Now I would let you know what he pulled concerning the Gene affair a couple of weeks after I met Vito down town. I was given an address, I think by Tony Bender or someone else, I really don't remember, for sure I read the address from a piece of paper and it was somewhere in Highlands in Jersey, it was a bar and restaurant owned by Vito Genovese's son-in-law. I was supposed to go there alone and I knew it was a carpet. The carpet was because I ordered Gene to be killed in front of the crap game as if I did it on my own. Anyone can see that theyl my bosses, were doing everything so that I blow my top. First they tell you to do some- thing of which I can't refuse then they make believe that they don't know anything after its done. Well anyway, if one can understand they make such phony appointments to test me there has been at least a half dozen guys that did not show up on phony appointments as the one they made for me before I went to ...
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- 826 - and I went to the Lido and that same night Vinnie called me and he told me that he saw Tony and that he would take care of everything and asked me if I felt better. I said this is the first time that I got a fair deal. Ok Vinnie said if you get a chance come down to the Gold Key. I said OK. That morning very late I took a ride to the Gold Key Club and Tony was not there and I had a wonderful time and I got out of the club about nine o'clock in the morning. That was the end of that carpet but it goes to show you that there wasn't a thing that I can get away with no matter what the thing was always making a deal out of everything. Vinnie was starting to see the light how they pick on me. Now I get bad news from my accountant that Matty my partner in the dress shop is not paying the witholding taxes and he is behind about eight thousand dollars. He is withholding the taxes every week from the operators but is not turning it in by not turning it in I mean that he is not sending the money into the tax people. Now I get hold of him and I try to put some sense into his thick head of his. I try to tell him that the government would not do anything to him because the government knows that he, Matty, is a poor slob but he is leaving an opening for me to go to jail because my name is on the papers so I ask the accountant what shall I do. He adtised me to sell my share of the shop to Matty but I would still be a partner after all Matty charged me for the withholding taxes ...
- 827 - got to laugh here we are two partners and one guy is a sucker and another is a wise guy who does the conniving, the sucker, and besides I have the money in the shop not only that I put all the money in the shop but I used to send Matty money for his personal use. I knew he was fooling around with the forelady but being a guy of understanding I would make believe that I did not know anything, after all I am no angel myself and besides I held a lot of respect for Matty. I always have a lot of respect for hard working men and Matty was a very hard working man. He would put his head down and push the sewing machine all day long without lifting his lead up and I met his wife and his sons and daughters, everyone of them were very respectable and very well mannered. I needed the shop so that I would have something to file my taxes. Even if I did not get any pay sometimes I would put it in the book to show that I was earning some money legitimate so the factory was a good thing for me. I tried all kind of business, although the boys had control of garment center, by that I mean that there was at least a half dozen members in the jobbing business and as I was a contractor I needed work from the jobbing people but I went to none of them for any work. My partner Matty used to get his own work and I liked nothing better than to get along without their help. I was forced to go to Johnnie Dio when the union men came around. Once I happened to be in the shop when two men came around and they said that they
- 828 - belong to Local 25 whatever that was I did not know, but I know it had to do with the contractor in the dress business. At this time we were making play suits and Many was getting the work from a non-union jobber. All I remember is the jobber's name was Hirsch, I do not remember his first name. Matty introduced me to Mr. Hursch and he made me promise him that if the union men came in the shop we should not tell them where we were getting the work from. I told him that he should not worry I rather close the shop than tell them anything. I mention a couple of names to him that were important down at the garment center. He was shocked to hear me mention such names. He asked me how come I don't do any business with them. Well, I said, you know Matty a long time and you know that he is an honest man and he can get work because he does good work and he gets a good price from the jobbers like yourself you are giving him top price on this play suit, aren't you? He said, yes now that I met you and I see that you know what you are talking about I'll give you a nickle more on the garment maybe you may do me some good sometime. Well I told him in your own way check on me without letting anyone know why you are checking. He said he would and when he will find out he will call me. OK I said. It wasn't long before he called and he told me that as long as he would have work we would be fir first ones to get it. Now I'll tell you what happened when the two
- 829 - guys from Local 25 came over. I asked them if I can do anything for them. They asked me if I belong to the union. I told them that I did not and he wanted to know if the operators were in the union. I told him that they did not belong to any union and to begin with I told him that most of the girls did not know how to speak English. He asked me how much was I getting for the garment. I told him one dollar and sixty-five cents. Gee, he said, it is a good price. Then I brought him to some of the operators and I asked them in front of the two men and they answered me in broken English how much they, the operators, were being paid for their work. When the two men heard what the operators were earning gee they said they are getting more than the union wages. In other words you are here to force me in the union regardless whether you hurt me or not. He said that he could not help it because there was a complaint. Now as my partner Matty had a permit for a gun and I knew where Matty kept it so I walked them towards where the gun was and I pulled it out and when they saw it they ran out of the factory like two deers. Matty started to laugh. I told Matty that if the union can do at least what we getting for our work and what we are giving the operators I won't mind but they can't give us what we are getting and according to his own statement we are paying the girls more than the union wages if we join the union we would lose Mr. Hirsh and we would lose the girls how do you
- 830 - like it Matty said we would have to close the shop. About one hour later I got a phone call from Johnnie Dio's office and the guy who called said that is the way to do it run them out of the shop. He told me that the two guys went and complained to Johnnie Dio but don't worry Johnnie would take care of them they won't be over to your shop any more and I thinked him and I never had any trouble any more. It wasn't long after this and Matty got sick and he died with that famous sickness cancer. The tax people took over the shop and they sold the machines for whatever they could get for them. They sent for me and I told them that I had sold my share of the shop to Matty some two years before he died as they can check if they wanted and they told me that they knew it but they wanted to make sure, so I lost my original investment but with all the money that I dfew from the shop in the years that I was with Matty I did not lose anything. Could had been later than what I said I really don't remember the exact year that Matty died. Now is something that I almost forgot but I have so much on my mind and I am off the streets almost five years that I do overlook one thing or another. The time I met Solly Shields on First Ave. when he introduced me to his wife I was with a guy from the Bronx, his name was Willie and he owned a bar some- where in the Bronx not long after I introduced Solly to this fellow. Solly was up ...
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- 832 - was the guy's wife that he met in France. Oh I said go and see her I said. Pat said that he had an appointment to meet her that night in mid-town some where, I don't remember. Pat calls me the next day and I meet him and he tells me that Dominick's wife wants eight thousand dollars. Pat asked me what shall we do now. So I told Pat just let me think. I had to think. What I was thinking was that there is a law passed in 1948 that none of Frank Costello's boys are supposed to fool around with junk. I was thinking about going and see Tony because that is my only chance because I knew that it will be hard to sneak. Pat don't understand so I had to do the thinking - now I was thinking if I go and see Tony Bender and if Tony should refuse then I'm stuck I'll be stuck because if Tony should refuse he would tell me to forget all about it and I can't take the chance because of Pat he don't understand and if they should question Pat I'll be hurt and I won't ever know where it come from so I thought it best if I go and see Tony, if Tony Bender is involved then I won't mind, in other words Tony would have to stand by me so I go to Tony Bender's house in Fort Lee, New Jersey. I tell Tony that I got a proposition and I need at least nine thousand dollars and I tell him that I got others involved with me and he asked me who so I tell him that Pat Pagano is one of the guys and he Tony asked me if I had any outsiders in on it. I told him no I did not want to tell him
- 833 - about Willie as Tony won't know Willie anyway. I figures that I would take care of Willie because I felt sorry for Willie because I felt that I made Solly meet Willie. Tony gives me the money and he tells me that we go fifty-fifty with the deal. He tells me that I'll take care of my guys and he would take care of his guys whoever he had. He told me that he would let Pat Muccio take care of everything. I was glad because I did not want to handle it. I see Pat and I give him the eight thousand dollars and a few hundred dollars so that he can entertain Dominick's wife. I knew she must be high class because of her husband being a millionaire. I see Pat the next day andhe tells me that he met her and that he was with her all night as she wants him to keep her company until she 50es to the hospital and have her baby. I tell Pat that it was a good thing that I used my head and I was keeping the extra money because I figured that Pat would have to entertain Dominick's wife so I tell Pat to meet her as much as he can. Pat could not understand why Dominick wanted us to give his wife the eight thousand dollars. I tell Pat I could understand why. He Pat asked me what did I think I told him that Dominick figures that when he is got eight thousand dollars in his hand the stuff that he would send over would be paid. How much do you think that the stuff would cost Dominick. You know I tell Pat Dominick makes his own stuff it probably cost him less than five hundred dollars
- 834 - a kilo-for the benefit of someone who won't know what a kilo is I'll tell you it is thirty-five ounces of junk. Well I'm staying in the Lido and Pat is entertaining Dominick'w wife. Now I don't know if Dominick's wife was still here when fifteen kilo arrived here. Now it cost one thousand dollars a kilo to get it off the boat but the seaman gets it off the boat but the seaman gets it off the boat and he waits for his money. I had nothing to do with any of this doings, Pat Muccio had all this responsibility now when it is off the boat and the stuff is safe in Pat Muccio's hands Tony Bender sends for me and he tells me that he put in nine guys so that they can make some money. Gee I remained dumbfounded. I said to myself that Tony is taking advantage because he knows that I know that we ain't supposdd to fool aroun d with any junk. Well I could not say anything but I thought it was funny that Tony was so nice in the beginning now that the stuff got here safe he laid out the law. I did not know how I was going to tell Pat I knew well enough that Pat won't understand. Well I did not say anything as I figured that I would talk to Tony later but when I did talk to him he just did not want to do anything about it there is no sense putting down the nine names on the record because I found out no one got anything except Tony Bender and Vito Genovese of course. I was thrown a piece of bone. I was going to pull out the balance of the money that Dominick had coming - it would had amounted to $29,500 but if I paid Dominick I would
- 835 - have to continue to do business but I had no intention to do any more business so I talk to Pat. I sit Pat down and I tell him what Tony had told me about the nine partners. He got awful mad. I told him the best thing to do is don't pay Dominick and we quit. He said the guys is got my, his, phone number. I told him why worry about the phone number when I am explaining to you what it is all about as Pat was not a member yet at this time I tried to tell him that I can't say much because we are not allowed to fool around with junk that is why I am explaining everything to you. All I see, Pat said, that they treat guys like dogs. Well I can't say too much to Pat as these guys are like the weather I understand the move but I don't want to tell Pat the move is to let me look bad so that Tony will steal Pat. That is the way they work but a young boy like Pat can't see it. On top of it all, Tony calls me again and he tells me that Vito Genovese owes Frank Costello twenty thousand dollars that Vito had borrowed from Frank Costello when Vito came back from Italy and Vito ain't doing any too good, Tony said. I just look at Tony and I told him give me some money for Pat and I don't want anything. Well Tony said I'll tell you what I'll do I'll pay it I will take the money from the other guys. Well I had to be careful as to what I will say now. Pat Muccio comes over and he said that they were all through they had enought stuff left to cover my share What do you want
- 836 - Pat Muccio told me the cash or the goods. I told him that I'll let you know so I talk to Pat Pagano and I asked him what shall I do because Fiore and Joe Pagano were bothering us for some stuff. So Pat said if we take the cash then we would have to give my brother and your nephew some money and then for real we won't get anything so the best thing to do is get the stuff and we would give it to the kids at cost price and we would tell them that we are giving them the stuff at cost price so that they can make some money for themselves. Gee that is a good idea I said so I call Pat Muccio and I tell him that I want to see him and when I did see Pat Muccio I tell him to give the stuff to Fiore and Joe Pagano. Not realizing that Fiore and Joe were in a jam because they owed money to the connection from whom they got the hundred thousand dollars counterfeit money that they gave Solly Shields. Pat Pagano finds out that Fiore and Joe Pagano are paying off the money that they owed for the counterfeit money. I call Fiore Siano and Joe Pagano and I asked them if they are paying off with our money and they said that they are paying off with their own money so I tell them you ain't paying us why are you paying them guys first so they said the guys want to put them on the carpet because they found out that we got stuff you know how it is right away they find out because they are giving the stuff to the guys in Harlem and word gets around. Well I be a son of a gun I said I ...
- 837 - some money now I got to worry about getting our money. Don't worry Joe said you would get every dime. On top of it all I'm told that Vito wants to see me there is an appointment made for me in Yonkers at Dom the Sailor's house so I take Fiore along with me so that he can hear what it is all about. I get the address of Dom the Sailor's house and I go there at the time that I am supposed to be there and there is Vito Genovese and Dom the Sailor and I introduce Fiore for the first time to Vito Genovese. I don't remember if Fiore knew Dom the Sailor or not remember Fiore Pat and Joe had worked on the Gene affair but they were not members yet. Vito talked very nice. He asked me if I had made a junk deal. I said, yes, and he, Vito, said did you know that you ain't supposed to fool around with junk. I said that I did so he said OK don't let it happen again. I said, I won't and he said OK you can go now. So I tell Fiore OK did you hear with your own ears he said he did but I don't tell Fiore that Vito hot his end of the deal and from the looks of things if Tony gave him the right count he got plenty but I dare not tell anyone now here is the way I found out that no one else got anything. I asked Pat Muccio how did he make out. Hey Joe, he said, if I tell you and he stopped I said what is the matter and he said you asked me how did I make out I said yes then he said who did all the work. I told him that he did then he said if you promise that you
- 838 - won't say anything I'll tell you so. I swear to my kid that I won't say anything. Then he tells me that he did not get a dime. He tells me that Tony Bender was taking all the money as it was coming in and when the end came and I told him that there was no more stuff and that I had given the last two kilos to you I asked him if I can get some money do you know what he told me. I did not answer then he said, Tony told me that he gave Vito all the money. I just walked away and I said don't worry I ain't like you guys you can tell me something and I forget about it but I can't tell you guys anything because you run like a deer the way you went and tell Tony Bender that I was bothering you for money. He said that he did not. I said don't lie Vinnie told you in my presence that you did. Tony was going to call me, he did not call me because Vinnie stopped him. You heard Vinnie tell you up at Champ Segal Hotel house, why lie. He did not say anything and he walked away looking worried because he had bought a house and he depended on this money to pay for it. I go and see Tony Bender and I tell him that Vito called me and I told him what Vito told me and he said that is the act I know he called you so don't worry about it. If you have another deal see what happened Tony I told him there be no other deal I had enough. Now if I could trust Pat. Pagano I would had asked for the money that we owed Dominick but I can't trust these kind of guys because
- 839 - they are always looking to get close to the Boss, especially that Pat Pagano met Tony a couple of times and here is the way Pat Pagano would talk. Hey Joe I think that Tony Bender likes me - if he only knew how disgusting he sounded he would had not said it twice as I am on this story I might as well finish it now as I must tell you that I met Pat Pagano in Atlanta in 1960 and he was kind of cold so I was twice as cold. He ain't nothing to me. I took him off the streets and I at least put him in a position to meet some people. He was a bum from the neighborhood and the best that would had happened to him would had been that he would had gotten his head broken because he was a cockey boy. One day in Atlanta he told me that all he knows that he made a deal with me and he got the worst of things. I told him the old man is here do you want to talk about it now you are a member you can talk. He said no he did not want to talk about it. I asked him why he did not answer me. I said, hey Pat you know what you are doing you are taking it out on the weak guys like you one can buy them a dime a dozen. He said how do you make that out. I'll tell you I said now you are in a position to know right and wrong you know that I did not have much to say. The guy that gave us a bad deal was Tony and all I hear you see, Gee I think that Tony likes me. Then he said again all I know is that I done business with you. Yes I know, I said, but you just don't ...
- 840 - guys get in the mob I forget you because I know that you are going to see who is important and that is the guy you are going to try and make friendship with. I'm trying to tell you if I make a beef that is what they were looking for I can't tell you anything because you are big shot crazy. I can see you how you act in here you get all excited when you see Frank Costello. Go ahead take a walk I told him I went through a lot of guys like you, I'm used to it. I said I want to ask you one more question, how much did the kids pay us for the stuff, they were supposed to give us twenty thousand dollars, how much did they give us Pat said about fifty-three hundred dollars. I said what was their balance he said fourteen thousand seven hundred dollars. I said is that right. He said yes. How come you not mad at them. He did not say anything you see what I mean Pat over here you see Frank Costello and Vito act cold with me and what do you do kick a guy when he is down you see what I mean. Now don't you? The other day you were talking to me and Frank passed and what did you do, leave me flat and you ran to him and here you are trying to impress me. I'll tell you again guys like you can be bought for a dime. Why don't you want to talk to the old man about it, don't you think he the old man did not notice it that you are acting cold, let's go and tell him why you are acting cold he knows all about the deal you know what I told him. If I cared I will go and tell the old man but as I said who care
- 841 - how you feel I'll tell you again you ain't nothing. He said, Joe I'm sorry that you got 15 years. I'll tell you what I told him I don't care do you know why because I'm tired of living out in the outside world with guys like you, Fiore, Joe and yourself. Again I tell you, now let me go about my business and do my time and we broke it up and I never spoke to him again. I want to explain why I had no respect for Pat or Joe his brother. Fiore I give to the Indiana. You can see how much heartache all three of them gave me. Before I tell you a little more about these three guys let me tell you how much money Tony Bender and Vito Genovese made on that junk deal. They made clear $91,500. Now I must say that I am surprised why did they not kill me after the deal. I want the boys to know why they the bosses, especially Vito, enforced the mob law that the soldiers cannot sell junk just put your boss in on it and you can sell all the junk you want and if your boss calls you after you made money for him and he gives you a bawling out, pay no attention to him because he is only letting you know that it was a privilege for you. Now I'll tell you why I had no respect for the three kids. In my time we had respect for the one who vouched for us at all times but the kids of today look to advance themselves at any cost. After I lost all that money with Joe Pagano and his partner Fiore, Joey brings any deals that he gets to Tommy Rye. I'm not mad because he brings the deals to Tommy Rye but the way they walk the chalk line. When I was on the lam and
- 842 - I gave Joie my keys to my juke boxes to take care of them for me he was stealing from one hundred and fifty dollars a week to two hundred dollars a week it was not enough what he stole on the junk deal, the crap game, and money that they borrowed from me personally, and then testify against me in the underworld trial that Vito Genovese had Tommy investigate for him while he Vito Genovese was in Atlanta. I know what went on because Frank Costello told me in Atlanta he, Frank, had told me that Vito was madeat me because he got a bad report about me from the outside. He Frank tells me that Fiore worked for me on the outside. I told Frank that it was a lie and I ran right over to Vito and I told him what is this that I hear that Fiore worked for me. He Vito said I don't know that is what Frank is trying to tell me. Well I'll be I said. Who can keep up with these guys. Frank tells me something that Vito said and then Vito tells me that Frank said it, that was enough for me. I said to myself that this guy have everything going fine on the outside and they have nothing else to do but agitate. I'll tell nore later on. Around the end of 1953 Tony Bender sends for me and he tells me that the State Liquor Authorities are being bothered by the junk agents. They advised Tony that I should sell the Lido Restaurant but we have nothing to worry about as I will be alright as long as they whoever it was that Tony had on the
- 843 - A. B. C. Board would be there Tony had very good connection on the A. B. C. Board but I never took time out to find out who they were as I was not interested just as long as he kept me open, that was all that mattered. Now I get word from Tony Bender that the Gap is in town as he came here from Italy and while he was in Italy he the Gap got arrested for passing counterfeit money in Italy and that the Gap had made a deal with the boss agent. He Tony sent word to me that he came in on one of the Italian boats and he the boss agent Siragusa and how did Tony know - well one of the Italian mob boys came in on the same boat as they did and as the boat landed everyone got off the boat at the same time. The Italian mob guy was put on the boat in Italy just so that he would come here and he would warn the mob about it. Now Tony said that I must be careful because the Gap made a deal in Italy with the agents that he is going to set up Vinnie, Pat Muccio and myself. Tony said that the Gap is sure to be in my place and when he does come he would tell me that he the Gap jumped the boat but I should not believe him and I should be careful that he may have a minature tape recorder on his person. After I was told all this about the Gap one thing for sure that I was making up my mind no matter how the Gap was out to set me up I was not going to have a hand in having anything to do as far as I getting the Gap. Now I remember how they gave me a hard time in the Gene affair. In other words I did not want to do anything anymore.
- 844 - I also remembered how they gave me the rap for calling the Gap a rat about a year before this imformation came to me. The Gap did not make an appearance in my place until three weeks after I got the warning. One night as I was sitting at the bar a guy opened the door of the Lido Restaurant and he shouted if Joe is here. I said, Yes here I am - with that he called outside and he told the people outside Joe is here. The Gap walks in and there was four more guys with him all cock-eyed drunk. The Gap comes over to me and he kissed me. I asked him how come you are here and how come you are walking around so freely. He said that he just come in and that he was twenty-seven days in a hatch of the ship. He said he ran away from Italy. I asked him about his wife and he did not answer me he just kept on talking about the hard time that he had on the boat and he said that he just came down from Tommy Milos joint in Yonkers and that Tommy had gave him five hundred dollars so I told him that I had no money but in a few days I would have some for him. Now he tells me that we are going to get rich. I asked how. He said I must call Vinnie and Pat Muccio in face he said call them now. I told him that I did not bother with Vinnie or Pat. He told me I must get them. I said I don't know where to get them. Well he said I'll be here Thursday night make sure they are here. I asked him what do you want
- 845 - He said all four of us. What doing I asked. He said that he has fifty thousand dollars worth of base. I asked him what is base. He said you are with those guys and you don't know what base is. Is aid I am not with those guys. He said that's right they are with Tony Bender but I want you in on this he said. Gap, I told him, are you aware that we cannot fool around with junk. He said since when you worry about what you ain't supposed to do. I said Gap things changed around here since you were deported to Italy. Yes, he said, so I heard. Then he hesitate and he said in a very low voice that he and I are going to Cuba. I opened his coat and I said, Gee you lost weight. I meant his jacket I saw no sign of a taperecorder so I whispered go to Cuba tonight but he was so drunk that it went over his head. While all this was going on we were drinkly freely and I was not letting anyone pay. By base he meant the stuff that makes the junk and one must be an expert to do it and I really did not know anything about it but what I was thinking was that they are out to give us ninety- nine years as making junk in this country is a very serious rap that is why hardly makes it in this country and that is why they get it here from Europe. Now the Gap asked me for Frank Luciano's phone number or his address. I asked him why he wanted it. He said that he wanted to kill him. What did he do I asked. He said he clipped my wife for some money he told her that he had a connection
- 846 - to get me back in this country. Gee Gap, I said, I swear I don't have his phone or address, but I did. He said that he will get him. I'm trying to get him to talk about his wife but he would not talk about her so I figured that he must know that I was on the carpet for calling him a rat a year before. I said to myself I'm not going home until day light as I knew that it won't be long before they get him. Well everything points just the way I warned I was told that he was out to set up Vinnie, Pat and I and that is what he kept talking about now. I know I got the right tip. Well I was trying to help him as I owed him a favor as he saved me when he brought me to Brooklyn in 1931 and kept me out of Harlem all that day but he gives me no choice and besides I give him a hint and he is too drunk to catch it. The other guys were to themselves while all this was going on. Now I asked the Gap if he ever sent me a letter from Italy as one day about six months before the Gap came here a guy came in the Lido and he brought me a letter telling me that he hadjust arrived from Italy and that the Gap wanted me to do business with him and that the letter would verify it. The Gap said that he did not send anyone with a letter, in fact he the Gap said that he was in jail in Italy six months ago. So I was right I told the Gap he asked me what was I talking about so I told him about six months ago an agent walked in here and he was Italian and he told me that he had just left you in Italy and
- 847 - that the letter said that you wanted me to do business with him but I refused to let him read me the letter and I threw him out of the joint. The Gap said good for you as I did not send anyone to you. So I waited and hoped that the guy would come back but he never did. Well now the Gap leaves and he tells me that he would be back Thursday and I should make sure that I have Vinnie and Pat over here in the Lido. I said OK. After the Gap left I made a call as I was to call while the Gap was in the place but as I said that I did not want any part of this affair and in fact I don't want any part of any affair after the experience I had in Highlands in Jersey. When I did make the call here is what I said, Tony the Gap was here, and Tony asked me if he the Gap was still there. I said no then I told him that the reason why I'm calling you now that he left is because I don't want any part of it. He asked me where did he go. I said I did not know and I told him that it is not our affair and I don't want to get into any trouble butting in other peoples business. He said that he did not blame me. Well he said how does it look to you. I said the information is right. Of course I did not call from the Lido. The next night I was told that if I get a chance I should stop at the Del Rip up in Yonkers as it was opened all hours of the night. I went up there late when I got in the place Tommy Milo called me over to his table and there was a couple of the boys there and
- 848 - Tommy asked me if the Gap came in my place last night. I said he did and Tommy told me that he left the Del Rio and that he was headed for you joint. I said yes he told me and he also told me that you gave him five hundred dollars. Tommy said yes that is why I sent for you. Well I said what's on your mind. Tommy wanted to know if it true what he heard. I said Tommy if you want to know anything please get in touch with down town I don't want to be involved in anything any more I'm just fed up with everything and I ain't interested in anything. Everytime we opened our mouths it is a carpet. It looks as though they want to think for you too. Tommy said Joe I like the Gap and I know you were brought up with him and I was hoping that it is not true. Now if you were told anything save me a trip from going down town. OK I'll tell you just what I was told. OK he said I know if you tell me it would be solid that's why I want to hear it from you. Yes Tommy I was told so be careful I don't want my name kicked around. Tommy felt bad. I had a drink or two and I left I went back to the Lido. Now when Thursday came around I did not go to the Lido. I called during the night and the bartender told me that the Gap called and he wanted to know if I'm coming in. I told the bartender that's why I called to tell you that I won't be in the Lido tonight I'm all tied up down town so if he calls again tell him that I won't be there tonight. I stayed out of the Lido all night I did not want to make too many calls as the bartender was Irish.
- 849 - I had put him to work because he was an honest man and he had his own following. About three days or four, I don't remember just when, I was home and about four-thirty in the morning two detectives come over to my house and they were surprised to find me home they came in my room and they asked me what are you doing in the house. I told them that I was sleeping. They said to me you are sleeping and the Gap just got killed so I asked what am I supposed to do. Well one of them told me that they are going to take me in. OK I said do you want me to dress. No he said I'm just thinking I don't know why the junk agents want us to pick you, Vinnie and Patty Muccio up. They said that you three guys knocked the Gap off. We rush over here thinking that we not going to fine you home and here you are. Your wife said that you came in about three o'clock in the morning and the Gap got killed at ten minutes to four. One of these detectives I know so I asked him again if he wanted me to dress up. He said no get Vinnie and Patty and yourself and you call me at the police station and I would let you know if I want you and the other two guys to come in. Let me ask you something I told the detective who told you to pick up up. He said the agents. Gee I said they really use you guys as bobs. He said what do you mean. I said the agents make all the trouble and they they want you to make an arrest.
- 850 - In the meantime I had asked my wife to make a cop of coffee so we sit by our- selves and I tell the detectives that the agents brought the Gap in from Italy and he is supposed to set me, Vinnie and Patty up. The underworld gets a tip from they own kins I mean other agents tip off the Mob. Now things don't go right for them and they come and tell you to lock up the three guys that they the agents were looking to frame and you guys like suckers rush over here thinking I was not home and if I was not home you sure would had thought that I was killing the Gap but you find me home and you are stuck. One of them said to me Joe if what you telling me is true I would tell it to my boss and I'm sure that my boss would pick up no one. Now if you make me do a thing like that and then it ain't true you and I would be bad friends. OK I said if you think that I am bulling you then you take me in I am so sure I'll even tell you what agent brought the Gap in and you would find out that the Gap did not jump any boat he came in with the boss agent, his name is Siragusa and when you check you would see that I am telling you the truth. Now the detective asked me if the Gap was in my place about four or five days ago. Yes I said I was waiting for you to ask me that question. See I said how they know that he was in my place you know why they know because they the agents sent him in now it kickback on them and they are sore at me. It is too bad they work so hard trying to frame us and when it don't
- 851 - work out they blow their top. In other words the detective told me you know or expected the Gap to come in your place. I said sure I did the Gap is here three weeks. All they do, I mean the agents get someone killed and then they come running to you guys and let you think that they know everything OK the detective told me you have those guys ready and you call me at four o'clock this afternoon if the Boss wants you in you come in if he believes this story then he won't want you in OK I'll call you at four o'clock. That afternoon I had the other two guys ready and I called at the police station when the detective got on the phone he said don't bother coming in he said that he would see me at the Lido at about eight o'clock that night so that night he came to the Lido and he told me that when his boss heard the story he got mad and he ain't going to call in no one. He said the police department did not know that he the Gap was in the United States. The detective told me that he is going to check on everything and when he finds out he would come and let me know. He said I hope your story checks OK I said you will see. In about a week the detective comes back in the Lido and he tells me he found out that it happened just the way I told him. Gee he said where did you guys get the information. I said I told you the tip came from others in Italy and the boys there in Italy sent a man here to put the mob wise. Am I right that the Gap was here a couple of weeks not the way the agents ... right and besides you made me look good in
- 852 - from of my boss. My boss said to me where did you get that information. I told him that I have friends too so the boss told him well whoever this friend is he certainly knows what he is talking about. The detective got up and he thanked me and he left. Now I find out that when the Gap came in and he went home his wife jumped out of the window when she heard that it was her husband knocking on the door. Then I heard that he caught up with her and he gave her such a beating and force out of her if it true that I had called him a rat so I was right in not going home until it was daylight. He must had wanted to get me alone in his car. I suppose but I was kind of hip as long as he was around I kept going home nine or ten o'clock in the morning and sometimes I did not go home at all. Especially when I heard that he was going in a certain game in the Bronx that was operating at that time - it was a card game that was in the heart of Forham and it was in this game that he spent his last hours and in fact he won about one thousand three hundred dollars that morning that he died one of the guys that was in the place that night told me that the boss of the bar took all the money out of the Gap pockets and he put it all in a drawer behind the bar when the cops came as they searched all over the place and when it was all over and they took the Gap away the boss of the bar went to look for the money and it was all gone so he blamed the cops for taking the money as the cops themselves
- 853 - heard that the Gap had made a win just before the guy walked in the bar he knew the follows that killed him because as I was told as soon as the Gap saw them come in the place he the Gap ran in the backroom and there is where the cops found him. He the Gap tried to get out of the bar but the windows had bars so he was stuck. The Gap was killed in Maurullo Bar. It was somewhere in the Forham section of the Bronx near Third Ave. around 187 Street somewhere. I never was in the bar. Mauriello lost his license because of the killing. After everything quited down one of the guys came over to the Lido he was the guy that spent his last few hours with the Gap. I could tell you his name but I must protect him as he is just a guy that hangs around. I asked him to describe to me just what happened. To begin with he said just ten minutes before they the killers came in the bar Gap was talking to himself. I asked him what was he the Gap saying. He said the Gap was saying that he tried to get you all of Thursday night but you were not in the bar. I told him to go on and try to remember everything so he tells me that the Gap realized that you were trying to tell him something. He said that you told him to go to Cuba the night he was in your joint. That is right I told him. Now I feel better I know I tried but he was so drunk that he did not hear a thing that I was trying to tell him. Yes he said the Gap said it to me what made him come in your joint drunk. I tell the guy can you understand it. Then the guy tells me that the Gap's last words
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- 1096 - four your lose he told me. I took the hint and I stepped on the side and while I was standing on the side Ralph Wagner came over and I ignored him as I had my eyes on everyone. Now a guard came over and he started to look at everyone. Things did not look right to him. Everyone had a suspicious look. Well the guard did not go away he stood there and I took the opportunity and instead of going near the guard I went to the toilets as they were about thirty feet away from the Bocci court and I saw one of the greaseballs go over to Porkey and ask him in Italian and he was holding his right-hand on his waistline and he had such a pale look and he asked Porkey should I get him and Porkey yelled out loud, "What are you asking me for" and I heard it. I was not doing anything on the toilet I was only stalling. If he the greaseball would had come my way I would had run as I would had a good lead but when Porkey walked away on him the greaseball did not know what to do. Now the whistle blew and it was time to go into the cell block. I waited for Vito Agueci and as he was with another guy I started to walk together with Vito and the other guy to make it look good that I did not hear him. I made conversation by asking Vito Agueci as he has no money why don't he come to the tailor shop and work he can earn some money and he can buy his cigarettes and what else he needs and then save some money because one is only allowed to spend fifteen dollars a month and in the tailor shop he can
- 1097 - earn from thirty to forty dollars a month. We reached our desination. Vito Agueci went to A Block and I went to B Block and when I reached it I found Vito Genovese in the cell all by himself and he was speechless when he saw me he didn't have the nerve to ask me anything. I went and lay on my bed and I did not say anything. The next morning I did not go for breakfast. I went straight to work and that afternoon about two o'clock I heard that they locked up Ralph Wagner and the other fellow that I had made friends in the cell but I think he was a phony too I forget his name so I would call him Boston as he came from Boston. Now when I came from the tailor shop instead of going in the mess hall I went straight to my cell without eating - who could eat. Of all the surprises I find Vito Genovese waiting by my door of the cell and he asked me what happened as I was coming down the tier. I told him you know what happened. He did not answer me. I said to myself how Vito when I am alone with him he keeps his mouth shut when I am alone with him. He is really got Ralph Wagner in the cell for his protection. I won't even raise my hands to him I would be ashamed of myself to do such a thing. I ain't looking for any reputation that is for dizzy kids like Ralph. While Vito was laying on his bed he asked me what did I think of the pinch. I told him that I am going to think it over all I know is that I
- 1098 - had two friends and they both locked up I must think about it and I let you know tonight what I think. He asked me why I did not go and eat and I told him I can't eat but I am warning you that I am not going to go nuts. He asked me what did I mean. I told him that I'll let you know tonight. He went out to the yard and I stayed in the cell and when he came in I told him how come my two friends went in the hole you know they are the only friends I have. I wanted to impress him that I really believe that Ralph is my friend. Now I tell him what happened at the Bocci court. I told him Vito I want to tell you something you think that you are outside do you know that Vito Agueci called me all kind of names. No he said he did not hear it. OK Vito I said I want to tell you that they are all dogs. I have been in jail before and that set up was for some square. Vito Agueci thought or the one who told him to do it thought that when he called me those names that I would go after him that is why he was forty or fifty feet away and if I did go after him for calling me names in the struggle and excitement one of the great brains that you had over at the Bocci court would had jabbed the knife in my back and it would had been all over and no one would had paid for it because there were so many guys over there but when I made believe that I did not hear Vito Agueci they did not know what to do. There was no one there that knew what to do they acted like idiots. They were waiting for the next order.
- 1099 - Even Barcelona did not know what to do now I am going to turn this place upside down. You would see if any of them had any kind of brain. One of them would had told me why don't you answer the guy he is calling you a rat but they all remained dumbfounded and you should had seen their faces they were more scared that I was. See this cut that I got and I showed it to him by lifting up my shirt. Since I got this cut I don't jump at anyone who comes to me on a surprise. If anyone comes to me on a surprose like Vito Agueci called me names I would figure that something is wrong the guy must be prepared and I ain't. You should had seen them I told Vito Genovese the whole bunch of them stood there looking at one another. Now the guy who plotted that setup was way out of order. Vito Genovese himself did not want to say anything because he knew that I was right and I told him that you passed judgment on me without a trial. I could tell you plenty about Vito Agueci but I ain't going to tell anything. I just wanted to see how your good judgment would come out. All the boys on the outside know that Vito Agueci is no good. By now that is all what I would tell you because I am going to make up my mind as to what I am going to do. One thing I know that I will not be able to overcome what happened at the Bocci court and another thing Vito I told him that my bunk is being searched every night. I asked him if his bunk is being searched. He said he did not notice it. I think that this was a
- 1100 - Friday night that I am talking about. I know for sure it was now a working day when I decided the next morning what I had to do. I did not sleep all night, I was going over the whole situation and I came to the conclusion that it is impossible to overcome what happened at the Bocci Court and I came to the conclusion that they locked up those two guys because they are ready to kill me. In the first place I had gotten a hint by someone but I dare not mention it twice, it was a guy that worked in the cell block. So by the next morning I felt like I was sick - no eating - so sleep and thinking my heart out. I was in a bad state of mind I must admit it. I went to the hospital but before I went to the hospital I had to get a pass from the guard in charge of the cell block that morning I went to him about seven o'clock in the morning. He gave me a pass for eight o'clock. All I was doing in the cell was having my legs up at the bar and laying there and waiting for eight o'clock to come. At eight o'clock I went to the hospital and the guard told me to sit down as there was no doctor in the hospital as he was late so I was waiting about a half hour when one of Vito Genovese's stooges come over to the hospital - he was Cripple Angelo. He asked me what was wrong. I told him to get out of here and it is nom of your business. He ran like a deer. Now I started to think the boys have good connections in the hospital and they can get me very easily. All of a sudden I went to the guard and I
- 1101 - told him to lock me up. He said that he cannot lock me up without a reason so I told him that I am going to take your name and put it in my brain. He said that if I gave him a good reason he would lock me up. First I spelled his name - I looked at his name as their names are on the left side of their chest. I went this way, "STIEN, OK." I said I'm going to kill someone or be killed is that a good enough reason? He said yes. Now I asked him is there a man that I can trust. He asked me what did I mean. I said I don't trust the Associate Warden. Is Lt. Williams working. He said no. Then I figured oh what's the difference I ain't going to say anything. Then I asked him as we were walking toward the Associate Warden's office can I see the Warden himself and he the guard said I don't know if ever you get a chance to see the Warden. Well I was so tired that I was just glad to go in the hole and sleep and think. I suppose I should tell you what is the hole. It is a big cell and there is just a toilet and a mattress on the floor. Well just as I got in the hole I went to sleep and I did not wake up until they came around with the food. They would wake me up and just as soon as they would leave I would throw the food in the toilet and I would go back to sleep. After I got loaded with sleep I started to think but the first night that I was in the hole it was late when the guard opened the door and told me that the Chief Parole Officer is here and if I want to talk to him. I said
- 1102 - OK. I went out there and I was so tired that while I was talking to the Chief Parole Officer I was laying on the table with my head down. I asked the Parole Officer to get in touch with George Gaffney and he asked me who was he. I told him that he is in Washington. He wrote it down and he said this is between you and me. He said I can't call today but I would call Monday. I told him that I won't eat until he gets here. The Parole Officer told me that if I don't eat they would shove it down my throat. That's when I was going to grab the piece of paper and tear it up but I was so tired and so weak that I just did not care for anything. I was so tired of watching at every move that every inmate that came close to me. It was hell. No one would understand unless one goes through it. The parole officer went away and I went to sleep again. After I was there about three days I started to think and I could not remember if I told the Parole Officer anything. Anyway I did not hear anything so I forgot about it. I started to eat a little but not much and I was thinking of what Vito Agueci's brother told me at West Street if his brother Vito Agueci ever got mad at you and he makes up a story against you God help you. Run he told me. He is one in eight million Albert said. Boy now that I know that Vito Genovese spoke to Vito Agueci what chance do I have I won't even try to defend myself. According to Albert his brother is the best story maker on earth. I was thinking how I saved the dog Vito
- 1103 - Agueci at Lewisburg when his own friend wanted to put a knife in his stomach. Well I said to myself I'll never learn. The guard opened the door and told me that I must shave. I said OK and when I went out to shave I saw Ralph Wagner and he acted surprised to see me. He asked me what was I doing in the hole. I asked him why are you in the hole. He said that he did not know so I told him you are in the hole because you are my friend and I told him when they locked you up I decided to come in too and I am going to blow hiy top. I told him that Vito Agueci called me everything and then I told him for the first time that Vito Agueci was in Westchester County and he must have made a deal with Frank Savaggie the agent [words deleted] [words deleted] I asked Ralph are you got a charge against you he said no. Well Ralph I'm finished only putting myself in the hole is enough. I'm dead and we just sold our life insurances. Boy you talked it in to me to come in that madhatter cell and he makes me walk around with Vito Agueci and he had talked to him all along. Ralph asked me how did I know that Vito Agueci had met Vito Genovese. I told him won't you like to know. Then Ralph said well in that case I'm with you. Cut it out Ralph I said if you get me mad I'll take it out on you. No Joe he said I'm going to tell the old man that Vito Agueci is no good when I get out of here. I don't care what you do I told him I'm not going out of here because ...
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- 1106 - overcome all the talk that he started and I know that you are backing him or do you think that he can get away for what he did if it wasn't for you and to prove it to you I'll grab him and I'll show you what a dog he is. He said do it I want to see what hbppens. OK I'll do it tomorrow I said and then he asked me if I told Ralph in the hole that he Vito Genovese talked to Vito Agueci. Sure I told Ralph. Then he asked me who told me. Sure a guy done me good now I'm going to tell you who the guy is so he can get into trouble no sir I'll due but I won't tell you. Then I told him that I know that I made you look bad by going in the hole but I'll make you look good I said by getting Vito Agueci. Fine he said do a good job but don't get caught and then he said if anyone asks you why did you go in the hole tell them on suspicion of escape. Where does that fit in I said. Well we don't want people to know that you went in the hole because you were afraid that they were going to kill you. Well anyway that night I went into the yard and I met all the boys and also Johnnie Dio. Now, Johnnie Dio was cute. He spoiled everything for Vito Genovese. He asked me that I should take a shower as he notice that I did not take my shower the day before. Now I could had asked Johnnie how come you notice that I did not take my shower but I did not and when he asked me to go the next day he could not look at me straight in the face. He was looking in the air when he was talking. Gee how I wish that we were on
- 1107 - the outside world. What a yellow dog he is. He did not even have the nerve to look at me in the face. I told him sure Johnnie I'll come tomorrow and take my shower and I knew that Vito Agueci worked in the same place where Johnnie Dio worked I would had two yellow dogs to contend with but I knew that the both of them would not do anything they would have someone else there. I got so mad as I saw Vito Agueci about fifty or sixty feet away from where Johnnie Dio and I were standing that I walked to where Vito Agueci was and Johnnie Did not see me walk over to him. I called him on the side and I told him that I thought I heard you say something to me about a week ago what were you trying to tell me did you say something about a rat. He said God forbid. Gee I said I must have dreamed it I'm sorry. You sure I asked him that you did not say anything and as we were talking Big Solly came over and he asked is there anything wrong. No I said I asked this mutt if he tried to say something to me about five or six days ago. Now that I came out of the hole it dawned on me but the mutt swear that he did not say anything. OK I said. I walked away and Solly and Vito Agueci went walking around and I sneaked around a tree and I heard part of the conversation they were having. Solly was telling Vito Agueci that Joe is not right in the head lately and he ain't sure of himself so you see he was telling Vito he ain't sure. Well when I went in the cell the first thing that I told Vito Genovese
- 1108 - just what I did and I told him that when I saw Vito Agueci I could not wait for tomorrow I had to grab him and Vito Genovese spit on the floor when he hears it but that was not going to go over my head. I had to watch every move but I did not tell Vito Genovese about Johnnie Dio asking me to go and take a shower. The following day I kept that to myself. Before I go any further I want the reader to know that once a guy or inmate goes over and asked to be locked up they ain't supposed to turn the inmate lose but in this case the connection were working to get me out of the hole although I warned Mr. Elliott that if I get cut lose there would be a murder. All he said to me was if anyone wants to kill you get in touch with him. I told him OK I'll call you when I'm dead. The day that I was supposed to go and get a shower I stayed in my cell all day. All that week we had a holiday. Once a year the tailor shop got a week and an inmate could go out in the yard or stay in his cell. After I explained everything to Vito Genovese. as to why I did not want him to meet Vito Agueci I told him also that Vito Agueci wanted to get even with his boss in Buffalo because Vito Agueci was raving mad at the boss in Buffalo. He accused his boss of killing his brother Albert and Vito himself was marked for death. His brother Albert had told me before he went out on bail that if
- 1109 - his boss does not bail out his brother Vito Agueci he was going to put his boss on the carpet. I warned him if he tried such a thing he won't live a month but he was a stubborn guy like his brother Vito and he must had tried to do what he threatened to do and the result was that he got himself killed. He was going to put his boss on the carpet by going to the other bosses and tell them that his boss in Buffalo was in the junk business as partners in the case that he went out on bail. He felt that as long as his boss was a partner his boss should had bailed he and his brother Vito so the two brothers were two of a kind. I told Vito Genovese Vito Agueci found a spot and I was the spot. I told Vito Genovese one thing for sure I told Vito Genovese that Vito Agueci got together with the agent Frank Savaggie at Westchester County; that he Vito Agueci would come to you and tell you all the stories he told you what could he had told you about me what would he know about me if the agent did not tell him. I did not know Vito Agueci on the outside. What would he know about me giving any information to the agent. The agents were mad at me because I refused to listen to them when they told me that you Vito Genovese was going to have me killed so the best thing to do they the agents told me was to join on their side if you don't believe me I told Vito when them guys come here from West Street you can ask them because I told them all about it. I told ...
- 1110 - me to come in your cell I came. Sure I came because I did not do anything wrong when I went down the last time they the agents made me go back and forth from Atlanta to West Street and from West Street to Atlanta. I told Vito Genovese you don't know how the agents work. If I told them something would I come back to Atlanta knowing the junk agents. There is not a man alive that told them anything and it did not take long before they got killed even if the agents did tell Vito Agueci that I gave information what does it mean do you know I told Vito Genovese. They are trying to do the same thing to Vinnie Mauro. They had it in the papers that Vinnie Mauro goes to the DA everyday. Sure the agents know that we ain't supposed to fool around with junk. It ain't enough that they frame us now they want us killed by letting a stupid guy like Vito Agueci come to you and tell you stories. Now I want to do this with you Vito I told him prove what I did wrong and I'll take the pills and take my own life. Can you do it I asked again. He looked at Ralph and Ralph looked at him. All he said was get that guy Vito Agueci. I told him if I was looking to hide anything would I come and tell you that Vito Agueci wants to talk to you. I could had kept Vito Agueci away from you all I had to do was be nice to him but I figured why should I hang out with him so that everyone would think that I had something to do with him on the outside. What for? I figured why should I hang out with him if I
- 1111 - had something to be nice to him for it would have been different but I had nothing to do with him on the outside. Let the ones that did business with him hang out with him why should I. All I know is that by me meeting these guys just for a few days in Canada I got myself a brand new twenty years and another thing they claim that their boss was in on the junk deal. What kind of men are they, they get arrested and they yell like a bunch of scared kids. Did I get any help when I got arrested in 1956 I did not have a dime. Did I yell that my boss Tony Bender was a partner of mine and he did not help me of course not but these guys get arrested just once look at all the noise that they made and you allowed a guy like Vito Agueci to come here and tell stories about me and if I don't know how to handle the situation I'd be dead. You see the way he dogged it Vito? I asked him how am I going to live this down? How am I going to do any time you go home and I got to live with these inmates and I am forced to go and get him and it means more trouble for what because he got a stupid idea in his head because he had asked me at West Street to have him meet you and you know what he wanted to tell you he wanted to tell you that Vinnie and Frank were guilty. I don't know what he told you about Tony Bender but one thing I want to tell you if Tony Bender had anything to do with the junk Frank and Vinnie were not yelling on West Street that their boss was in on the deal like the Agueci Brothers were doing. Well Vito I told him again
- 1112 - if anyone wants them kind of guys in their company they can have them it just so happened that I got all enemies in this joint and you encourage them and that's all there is to it. I saw dogs in my life I said to myself but none would match these dogs. It looked as though Vito Genovese saw the light but I said to myself what if Mr. Squire the Chief Parole Officer should let Vito Genovese know that I asked to get in touch with Gaffney. Well I said to myself I must sit back and see if anything happened. It would be in a couple of days so I better stall Vito Genovese about getting Vito Agueci. If it comes out that I tried to get in touch with Gaffney them I'm dead and if I'm going to die then I'll try and get the guy that made all this trouble Johnnie Dio or Joe Beck, either one. After all I did not know what I was doing but I can't tell them. I mean Vito Genovese. After all I figured that I was going to die and branded as a rat so I might as well do something and at least I'll die for something. We can never be the same. I would never forgive them. They had no business to be listening to a guy that don't even know how to talk English. Well I guess Mike Coppola is getting even on me. He did not like me and I did not like him through the years and the rest of them are Albert men so I was fixed good. Who am I going to blame, my boss Vito Genovese for allowing all this stuff to happen - no I would never forgive him I said to myself. And the other punk Ralph Wagner is looking to hide his own sins by giving me up
- 1113 - at the trailer camp the first time I got arrested. OK Vito I reasoned if the Chief Parole Officer let's you know that I wanted to get in touch with Gaffney then it would be too bad for both of us. I'm sure I'm going to be killed and I got into this jam because he Vito Genovese listened to a bum like Vito Agueci and not forgetting Ralph Wagner and Vito Genovese took my business. Well I am getting bitterer and bitterer as I think about it I can't go back in the hole as between the mob and Mr. Elliott it is all one. I'll do some damage and then I'll bum in the Electric Chair. I must defend myself at any cost. I ran to the officer and I got into a worse jam. All week I was thinking and Ralph Wagner pulled a boner one night. We were laying on our beds as the lights had just gone out - Ralph got up and he went to Vito's bed and when he got back he said to me that he just told Vito that if it was he that they called a rat he would go after the guy regardless whether the guy denied it or not. Yes I answered I'm yellow. What can I do. Oh he said he did not mean it that way but my dear Ralph did not know that I knew it was not his idea that Vito must had put him up to do it because I know that Vito realized that he made a mistake and he is trying to straighten it out on my expense by me getting Vito Agueci. Yes my dear Ralph Joe is thinking different he is thinking that Vito Genovese put me in this situation and I am ruined. Well Joe is thinking you ruin me he is going to ruin you and if I kill you Vito Genovese it
- 1114 - would be no good you made me a rat. Well I'm going to be one after I get one of the main guys - not the mope Vito Agueci - so I got up and I went to Vito's bed and I told him that I must take my time in getting Vito Agueci. He said OK but don't get caught. I told him this phony story that I must take my time to stall for my own life. I figured that while they are waiting for me to get Vito Agueci I have time to find out if the Parole Officer had sent out word sure enough. I said to myself I'll go in the yard and I'll see if I can hear anything. Well, well one guy calls me and he said that he wanted to talk to me so we went on the side and we started to talk. He said that I must tell him the truth he said if I said anything while in the hole I should tell him. I told him that I did not know if I said anything and if he knew if I said anything he should tell me and he said if I sis not hear something why would I be asking you but he said I want to know if I said anything. Well first I want to know why you want to know and he said that he would tell me what to do if I said anything. I said you ain't good enough to tell me what to do. Now let me ask you a question do you know why I went in the hole. He said no he did not and you want to tell me what to do my friend I said they don't tell you anything. You are not in a position to tell me what to do. Now I ask you another question did Vito Agueci call me any names at the Bocci Court. He said no. Well boy I told him they handled this thing all wrong and if I tell you anything you would have to report it so why don't you just leave everything the way it is and if you
- 1115 - are involved in the contract to get me go ahead and do your duty don't worry about me I'll take care of myself. Then he asked me if I expected the agents to come here in Atlanta. I asked him why are the agents going to come here he said that is what he heard. I said Joe Beck hears too many things. The best thing for you to do I told him tell them that you could not get anything out of me and you put yourself in the clear. I'm doing this for your own benefit believe me you would find out that I steered you right. One thing I want to tell you I did not do anything wrong I could tell you a lot but there are personal feelings involved in this case and they sent you to talk to me. I said Solly I know you were on their side right along. I made you believe that I believed that you were sincere all along and the only reason why I did was one that I know you must take orders and you have no choice, two, I stole information from you didn't you notice that I never paid attention to you when you used to knock Joe Beck or Vito Genovese. Didn't you get wise when we were walking and we met Pete and Pete said to me don't worry Joe everything would be alright in the end. Remember that Solly I said. Gee it is hard for an outsider to try and trap a mob guy. I knew what Pete meant, he meant that you were playing my friend but as I sai I forgive you because I know what it is all about. See what I mean. He patted me on my leg and he said I wish you luck. You see what I mean, I ain't no good no more ... myself in the hole and I must tell you that I am looking at you as I am ...
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- 1138 - Kennedy won the election. Let us tell you why I said it. When the election was going on as I must tell you the truth I never did mind or get interested as to whom was elected but as this was an important election it did not mean any- thing to me but I would hear them - Joe Beck, John Dio, Frank Costello, Vito Genovese - all rooting for anyone but Kennedy and all I would hear that if Kennedy is elected, especially Johnnie Dio, we would be ruined. Of course Johnnie Dio was worrying about his buddy Hoffa, as I said all he would talk about was Hoffa. Well when Kennedy got elected there was a morgue in Atlanta. You would think that they were on the outside. The only one that did not say much was Frank Costello. Of course I would had never made a move like I did if it was not for Kennedy. After all that is the way I felt and I wanted to make sure before I moved as to what I was doing. I did not worry about my life but I wanted to see this thing through. I wanted to break it all up once and for all. I knew what happened to a couple of guys that tried to hang some of the bosses - they never made it. I told you about three or four of them who tried it what happened and Charlie agreed with me. I was the most bitter man on earth. Who could blame me - to be mistreated by the worse punks on earth it was hard to take and who caused it all - the dear old man. Gee someone may want to know how come after what happened to me that I made up my mind to do what I am doing. ...
- 1139 - one. He must have a reason and again I say what is the difference as long as I am here. I don't need to say how I felt when I heard what happened to the President. Well all I know we lost a fighting man. The lawyer came and saw me again and they told me that if I don't do as they say they would get off the case. I told them OK with me. They told me they don't want it on their record that someone burned in the electric chair and they defended the man it is not good to have it on our record. They said I'm not going to plea guilty. I said the judge means well but I don't care about the electric chair. I said as long as I get a chance to blast this joint - now I'm sore at the officials. I told the lawyer they made more trouble for me than the inmates. One of the lawyers was an FBI man for 13 years and he said that he understood me but you got thirty-seven witnesses against you he said but I don't care I told him again. I like you I told him so get yourself off the case. I'm sorry there is nothing for me to live for so I don't care. He said he would get on his knees if I would do what he tells me. I said no good. Well they went away and he came back in two hours and again he pleaded with me and again I refused. Well to make it short - he came back two more times so that made it four or five times that they came all in one day - after all it was only about a half hour drive from their office to Atlanta prison as Atlanta is right in the heart of the City - in ...
- 1140 - in court. I asked them why are they rushing this case. That is what we are trying to tell you. I asked them in the name of God tell me the truth is this case being pushed by someone. They said yes do as we say they said where there is life there is hope. Did you try and get in touch with someone they asked me. I said yes but I don't know if the message got out. I was even afraid to trust the lawyers as Charlie told me not to trust them over here they all one. Charlie said you not kidding. I told him we would wait a little longer. I took the names of my witnesses but I did not give the lawyers their names. I was afraid of giving the names. I was in a mess I could not trust no one. No word from New York so I wasn't taking any chances. That night a guard came on duty that I had made friends at the Bocci court because he liked the way I played. He told me why didn't I go to him when I went in the hole the first time I would had seen to it that they don't cut you lose. I told him that I thought of him but I did not know where to find him and besides I did not know his name as I was not that close to him. We were just friendly to one another. He told me that he don't care for the job. He said that he is on retire- ment on another job and he took this job to earn some extra money and he did not like crooked officials. I told him I wish I knew. I would not be in this jam. I had to do what I did or they would had got me. I heard about it he said. I hear that ...
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- 1158 - him much and get rid of him as fast as you can. OK I said when is he coming. He said he wants to come today but I'm going to tell him to come Monday. He Frank said that he wants to give him the run around. The FBI man called that day I was with Frank when the call came because Frank was coming every day at this time to make sure that no one comes and see me. I heard him tell the FBI man to come Monday as this was on a Friday. The FBI man wanted to come the following day and Frank told him that he don't come on Saturday and no one talks to Joe if Frank ain't there. The FBI man said OK I'll be there Monday. Frank warned me again he said remember that Gaffney wants you to get rid of this guy OK I said. Monday the FBI man comes to see me and Frank introduced me to him his name was Jim as soon as the FBI man comes in he tells me that they the FBI were one day late in getting to Atlanta to talk to me. Frank greeted him in a friendly way and Frank made him copy whatever he had already written. I tell Jim not to copy any more as Frank is got everything written in his own way as Frank goes out of the office for a moment Jim asked me what is the trouble. I tell him nothing as I want to get to know him and I want that he keeps coming. I asked him who sent you here and he said the Attorney General. He said the Attorney General could not understand the report that was sent in by Frank. I could
- 1159 - not tell him much but I asked him to come Saturday and Sunday if he can. I told him that there would be no one here Saturday. Jim comes over and I speak to him for a couple of hours. I asked him if he knew a certain FBI man. He said he did and the FBI man that I knew was in the same office as he Jim works. I tell Jim that this FBI man came to my house once and I told this FBI man how to go about it he wanted to know how to check on the jukeboxes they wanted to know if there was aiy intimidating in the business and I assured him that there was not. I told him to have the police check from store to store and they would find out that the storekeepers run the whole show. They borrow money from one operator and then look to get rid of him by borrowing from another operator so that they can get away from the first operator that he borrowed from the first time that is why the operators need a union to protect them from these storekeepers. Now if you find any corruption I'll assure you that it does not come from the operators. It would come from some outsider. Jim said he remembered when they came to my house and that I had given them the right steer and I saved them a lot of work. I asked Jim if he would like to come all the time he said he would like to come all the time. I was feeling my way around I just could not take the man in my confidence. I wanted to get to know him. I told him that Frank would be mad when he finds out that you come here on Saturday and
- 1160 - time. Fine I told him 'I would judge you as you come and if I get to like you I would tell you a thing or two as I am not satisfied with Frank. You would notice as you go along that whatever Frank has written in his report is ailtogether different as to what I'll tell you. OK he said. When Frank came around and he found out through the front office that Jim was over to see me on the weekend he got mad and I told him what do you want from me the guy came and I was not going to tell him that he should not come here. I like him I told Frank and Frank told me that I am going to get in trouble with Gaffney. I did not answer him as we were talking Jim walked in and he told Jim that he should not come on weekends and Jim told him OK he would not come on weekends and Frank told him that as far as he is concerned he could come but it is his boss that does not want anyone here unless he Frank is present. OK Jim told him and Frank grabbed me on the side and he told me that I am going to get in trouble with Gaffney. I told Frank you heard the way he spoke to me and he Frank told me yes you are right but do you know what he did when he left here he went to Washington and he was bragging about having you. I told him I don't like him and I don't believe you. Frank told me that they hurt me enough and they want to help me. I'm sorry I said he showed a very poor, sign of helping me. I said OK I'll tell him to come and see you Frank said. I did not answer. Well it went on this way for a couple of weeks and ...
- 1161 - to ger rid of Jim. I would not get rid of Jim. I would tell Frank I was getting closer and closer to Jim. Finally I told Jim that they want me to get rid of him so Jim asked me if he can have me moved out of Westchester would I be satisfied. I told him I'll go to hell just to get away from Gaffney. He Jim said give him a little time. Now Jim tells me that Vito Agueci is here in West Street they had him brought down from Atlanta and he Vito is here a couple of weeks. Now when Frank came I asked him if Vito Agueci is coming down and Frank said he would be back in West Street on the fifteenth of the month. I said OK I did not tell him what I knew that Vito Agueci is already down as I did not want to make hard feelings between Frank and Jim. Now Jim asked Frank what is this that I hear is Vinnie talking. Frank told Him hes from what D. A. White tells me Frank told Him it may be and then Frank asked me what do I think I told him I am not thinking I ain't going to give any opinion. Then when I got a hold of Jim alone I told him not to pay any attention to Frank. Jim said it is true everyone is saying it. I told him the reason why every one is saying it is because Frank and Gaffney are spreading it all over town. They even put it in the papers they got me trouble now they think that they can do it to Vinnie. I told Jim I hope it were true but I want to steer you right, don't believe these guys they are a bunch of agitators. Jim said if it is true he wants to go and see Vinnie. I told Jim save
-1162- your time and let them go and see him. Frank is spreading it on the outside and he thinks because they had luck with me now they can do it to everyone but it is all worked out they had their lesson with what they done to me and besides Vito Genovese ain't in Atlanta to be listening to phony stories. I told Jim that we would sit back and see what happens. Jim said OK he would sit back and see what happens. OK you would see. Now Jim comes back and he tells me that this thing about Vinnie is all over, even Mr. Hundley asked him if it is true. He said Gaffney is spreading it all around Washington. Sit back and you will see in the end who is right and Frank kept on telling me right along but I would never answer him. I want him to make a fool out of himself he would keep telling me this one said it and that one said it. All I would do is look at him. They had a book called the Mafia and they had 237 names in the book and it was all the names that Gaffney had put in the book as members of the Mafia. They had guys like Mickey Cohen in the book, Irish fellows, all kinds of different nationalities. I did not say anything. I told Jim if we go away from here then I would straighten out the book but as long as the brains Gaffney knows what he is doing let him alone. Jim said OK as far as Vinnie was concerned after about 14 months everyone was convinced that he was not talking and the great brain looked bad again.
- 1163 - One day I'm alone with Frank and I tell him that a prisoner came in from West Street and he told me that Vito Agueci has been on West Street since the third of the month and when I am telling Frank it is about the 19th of the month I don't mention the month because I don't remember the exact month but I do remember the date of the month. Frank got excited and started to blame Jim for telling me. Frank said that he heard that Jim was down West Street to check whether Vito Agueci was there. I did not want to tell Frank that Jim had told me because I did not want to be a troublemaker. He can make up stories so can I. Well I asked Frank is Vito Agueci down at West Street or is he not. Frank said yes he is down there since the third of the month. Well I asked him did you and Vito Agueci get together and make up a good story for yourselves. He said yes he did make up a good story. He said he was sore at me because I made him look bad with Washington. I said this is the greatest thing I ever heard you were looking to set me up and I don't go for it and you get mad at me. Will I'll be I said it was supposed to be between you and I and now you tell me that I made you look bad with Washington. How did Washington find out? It shows you that you were trying to set me up and because I got wise to you and I saved myself you get mad at me. He was looking out of the window while I was talking. He said that he did not expect me to commit murder. Or you expected me to get ...
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- 1165 - help him. I asked him how and he said that I could testify for him. I asked him who was he going to put in the indictment. He mentioned about 40 names. I asked him why does he need me when he has two guys upstairs. He said he has three guys upstairs. He said a new one just came in. He said that this new one knows all about the Anastasia murder. I asked him who is he. Well he said he is a witness for us and he was out on bail and they shot him and they missed. He said that he was hit in the foot. He said that there was ice on the floor and the guy fell and one of the guys that was shooting at him fired about six shots at him while he was laying on the floor but the guy missed but the witness also had a gun and he also fired at the gunman. He thinks he hit him. I asked what is his [words deleted] I never heard of him I told him. Yes he said but he heard of you and you should had seen how everyone was interested when he was telling the story of Albert Anastasia. Who is everyone? He said all the agents. No kidding I told him what did he say. He said that [word deleted] is the guy that furnished the guns for the killer of Albert. Oh boy I said from an errand boy now he is a big time gunman. He asked me if I wanted to meet him. I said no. He said why not. I just don't care to meet him. 1-le said you can play cards with him. I told him to forget about it. Well he said What do you think about his story. I said I don't care about giving any version. Gee he is making some hit he said.
- 1166 - Good for him I told him, did [words deleted] in his files. He said yes. Lots of luck to him I said, I don't know anything about Albert so keep [word deleted] and frame him or put his picture on your wall I told him I would have to hear what the D. A. says when he hears [word deleted] story. Frank said that the D. A. of New York County likes his story. Good I said. At this moment Jim walks in and when he heard the story he felt like I felt and I must tell you now I met the Assistant D. A. of New York County and I asked him what did he think of [word deleted] story and the Assistant D A told me that they threw the story out of the window. The idea why Frank wanted me to meet [word deleted] was that I would educate him I figured that the kid did not know what he was talking about so why should I go and live with him. At this time Jim had some papers in his hand and he reads to me a statement that a guy made to the D. A. at Atlanta. He is the inmate that hit another inmate on the head with a two by four and the inmate made a statement to the D. A. that he was assigned with Joe Valachi to hit the fellow that Joe Valachi had hit but he could not be with Joe that morning because he had an early visit. This was the same inmate that was supposed to send the priest to me when I was in the hole as I already told you that the priest had brought me a message and as I did not know the inmate I could not understand what the priest was talking about and I did not
- 1167 - I still don't know the inmate's name. The inmate had told the D. A. that Vito Genovese had given orders to hit the inmate that I hit and he also told the D. A. that he was supposed to be with me that morning but as he had told the priest he told the D. A. that he had an early visit and that was the reason why he could not be with me that morning but he took care of the other inmate that got away on Joe Valachi that morning and the D. A. in Atlanta was ready to indict Vito Genovese for murder if I cooperate with him. I told Jim that I did not know the inmate and besides everyone knows that I hit the wrong man and I also like to hang Vito Genovese if I can but I will not have a hand in framing Vito Genovese. So Jim sent the statement back to the D. A. telling him that Joe Valachi does not know what the inmate is talking about. The next thing I hear that they sent the inmate to the insane asylum. Now I'll tell you why this inmate tried to pull such a stunt. He had prepared it since I got into trouble he did not know that I was defending my own life. It was Vito Genovese who sentenced me to death but this fool doing fifteen years for a bank job and the way I understand it he came from the south somewhere he got a great idea hoping to save himself from the fifteen years that he was serving by scheming this phony story not knowing that I was an enemy of Vito Genovese. Somehow he figured that Vito Genovese had ordered me to hit this fellow that I hit in the first place I made a mistake I was really after all of Vito Genovese's men when this fool found out that I was an
- 1168 - enemy of Vito Genovese he went crazy and I heard that before he went crazy he had lost sixty pounds while he was in the hole. I told Jim the fool did not know that I tried to avoid getting hurt or hurt someone by putting myself in the hole but it was my hard luck that Mr. Ellicott had turned me loose and by him turning me loose I got into the jam that I got in. Now my dear friend [section deleted]
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- 1179 - while. He is a low down cokey I told Frank and Frank said that I was right and we forgot all about it. Now Jim comes and he tells me that we would be leaving in about a week and I asked Jim where are we going and he said he did not know yet. Boy when Frank finds me gone out of here he is going to catch a fit. The reader would take notice that I am about to run off on Gaffney and the readers must remember how many times they read in the papers that Gaffney had turned me over to the FBI. He is got to read what I am writing and if he has any other story as to how I got out of his hands other than what I am telling you then he is a liar. Frank was over and again he asked me when am I going to get rid of Jim. I told him next week for sure. The following week Jim came and told me that in a day or two I would be leaving Westchester County. I was happy because Frank had nothing else to do but tell me phony stories. He got me so sick telling me that he saw or spoke to this guy and that guy and I was getting to be a nervous wreck. Two days later two Marshals came and they moved me from Westchester County and they brought me to Mammouth, New Jersey, where there was soldiers and the food was very good and the next day Jim came and saw me. I wasn't too happy but as long as I got away from Gaffney I did not mind. After I was at the Army Base I must say that the soldiers and everyone else were fine but they did not have charg ...
- 1180 - to now he has been very nice to me and I am still with him. If anyone wants to know how I feel -- well all I did was protect myself and if I would had died I would had died branded like a dog in Atlanta and I did not do anything wrong. Now if they get me at least I done enough to hurt them and I have been reading that I am interested in Vito Genovese if he should get out. Well I feel he made all the trouble for me and as long as he suffers with me I am satisfied and the main reason why I don't want him to get out on the street is that I know that a lot of guys would die, especially the ones who had the contract to get me in Atlanta and they failed. I know how Vito thinks -- they the boys brought him all the stories and when it came to do the job they along with Vito Genovese were out-smarted. One should know how I feel. Well I hope that some day the American people would benefit by what I have been telling them as far as the mob is concerned and I must say I am not afraid and I am not worrying as to what happens. I am alone in this world. I write to no one of my family as the world knows they disown me and I don't blame them. I would had been dead two years now and I would had the same name as I have now so what is there to lose. Mr. Vito Genovese you tell me.
- 14th Street, 363,
- 104th Street, 47,
- 105th Street, 34,
- 106th Street, 6f2, 36, 43, 275, 299,
- 107th Street, 36, 41, 43, 146,
- 108th Street, 6f1, 6f2, 8, 14, 16, 22, 93,
- 109th Street, 14, 16, 22,
- 110th Street, 297, 357, 358, 359, 363,
- 111th Street, 6L, 16,
- 114th Street, 47,
- 116th Street,1, 2, 275, 321,
- 124th Street, 34,
- 125th Street, 35, 40, 41, 308,
- 126th Street, 34, 308,
- 138th Street, 309,
- 139th Street, 309,
- 143rd Street, 40,
- 187th Street, 316, 318, 322, 323, 330,
- 42nd Street, 40, 181,
- 46th Street, 355, 357, 359,
- 59th Street, 37,
- 86th Street, 41,
- 96th Street, 6f1,
- Accardo, Sam, 328,
- Adonis, Joe, see Doto, Giuseppe "Joe Adonis."
- Aiello, Joseph, 291,
- alcohol abuse, 8,
- Alliemove, 40,
- Arthur Avenue, 316,
- artichokes, 6m,
- Badami, Stefano "Don Steve," 328, 363,
- Baker, Joe, see Catania, Joseph "Joe Baker."
- Bel Monte Motor, see Zoo cabaret.
- Bell, Tom, 328,
- Bender, Tony, see Strollo, Anthony "Tony Bender."
- Bloomingdales, 37,
- Boiardo, Ruggiero "Richie," 328,
- Bonanno, Joe, 305,
- boss of all bosses, 282,
- Boston Post Road, 317, 320,
- Briguglia, Vincenzo, see Rannelli, Stefano "Steve."
- Bronx, New York, 11, 43, 93, 297, 315, 316, 318, 322, 338,
- Bronx River Parkway, 308,
- Brooklyn, New York, 333, 335, 363,
- Buck, 337,
- Buffalo, Charlie, see DiBenedetto, Calogero "Charlie Buffalo."
- Buffalo, New York, 355, 359,
- burglary, 1 -2, 6j, 18, 21-22, 33, 34, 43, 46, 47, 181, 287, 331, 335, 358,
- Buster, see Domingo, Sebastiano "Buster."
- Callace, Frank "Chic 99," 297, 298, 304,
- Camorra, 146,
- Capone, Al, 291, 355, 362,
- Capuzzi, Nick, 285, 305, 323,
- Caruso, Angelo, 362,
- Castellammarese War, 280-338,
- Catania, Joseph "Joe Baker," 316, 317, 323, 324, 326, 327, 328,
- Central Park, 6f2,
- Charlie Jones Restaurant, 363,
- Charlie, 33-35, 41,
- Chic 99, see Callace, Frank "Chic 99."
- Chicago, 291, 329, 333c, 333e,
- Chinaman, see Masseria, Giuseppe "Joe the Boss."
- Clementi, Carmine "Dolly Dimples," 146-147, 152,
- Clutching Hand, see Morello, Giuseppe.
- Coll, Vincent, 355,
- Coney Island, New York, 337, 355, 360,
- Coppola, "Trigger Mike," 357,
- Cosa Nostra, 6n, 305,
- Costello, Frank, 17, 362,
- Cotton Club, 40,
- Crazy Chuck, 6f1,
- Crescent Avenue, 323,
- Danny, 330, 331, 332,
- DiBenedetto, Calogero "Charlie Buffalo," 305, 359, 363,
- Dinty Moore Restaurant, 357,
- Doc, 304, 305, 314, 315, 322, 323, 337,
- Dolly, see Clementi, Carmine "Dolly Dimples."
- Domingo, Sebastiano "Buster," 285, 287, 288, 289, 290, 292, 294, 295, 304, 305, 314, 315, 316, 320, 321, 322, 324, 328, 329, 330, 333a, 333c, 333d, 333e, 333f, 336, 337, 355, 356, 358, 360, 361,
- - background, 288, 333c,
- Don Steve, see Badami, Stefano "Don Steve."
- Doto, Giuseppe "Joe Adonis," 291, 362,
- Dottie, 277,
- Doyle, Bobby, see Santuccio, Girolamo "Bobby Doyle."
- Dream Land, 41,
- Dyckman Street, 181,
- East Harlem, 6f, 275,
- East New York, 363,
- Eighth Avenue, 41, 181,
- electric chair, 147,
- extortion, 6m,
- Ferrigno, Steve, 298,
- First Avenue, 6f, 6f1, 6L, 8, 14, 16, 22, 34, 35, 93,
- Fordham, 283, 316, 323,
- Fordham Road, 11,
- Fort Lee, New Jersey, 362,
- Frank's Cloth Shop, 47,
- Freddie's Restaurant, 357,
- friend of ours, 307,
- Gagliano, Tom, 304, 305, 321, 322, 337, 338, 362,
- Gallo brothers, 333g,
- Gambino, Carlo, 322,
- Gambino, Paolo, 319, 320, 322,
- gambling, 333e,
- gang fights, 6f2,
- Gap, The, see Petrelli, Dominick "the Gap."
- garbage scows, 18,
- Garden Inn, see Viserti, Joseph / Zoo cabaret.
- Genovese, Vito, 291, 307, 329, 333f, 333g, 359, 362,
- greaseball, 6n, 280, 312,
- homicide, 11, 12, 16, 17, 91, 146-147, 275, 280, 321, 327, 337, 355,
- Irish mob, 40,
- Jersey City, 21,
- Joe the Boss, see Masseria, Giuseppe "Joe the Boss."
- Johnnie D., 331, 333, 358,
- joy-riding, 12,
- junk, see narcotics.
- junk business, 3,
- King, Dot, 91,
- Leibowitz, Samuel, 355,
- Lexington Avenue, 33, 41, 275, 297, 358, 359, 363,
- Livingston Manor, New York, 277,
- Livorsi, Frank, 275,
- loansharking, 14,
- Long Island, New York, 289, 315, 328, 331, 332, 335, 358,
- Louie the Baker, 14,
- Louie the Shoemaker, 147,
- Lucchese, Tom "Tommy Brown," 305, 332, 333, 334, 337,
- Luciano, Charlie "Lucky," 291, 329, 355, 357, 359, 360, 362,
- Lucky, Charlie, see Luciano, Charlie "Lucky."
- Mafia induction, 305-306,
- Mafia rules, 306, 333b,
- - against narcotics, 333b,
- - retirement, 333g,
- Magaddino, Stefano "Steve," 355, 359,
- Mangano, Vincent, 362,
- Maranzano, Salvatore, 289, 304, 305, 310, 314, 316, 318, 320, 321, 323, 325, 328, 329, 333c, 333d, 333e, 333f, 334, 335, 336, 337, 355, 356, 359, 361, 362,
- - greed, 355, 356, 361,
- - plans another war, 362,
- Masseria, Giuseppe "Joe the Boss," 280, 283, 285, 287, 291, 292, 298, 305, 321, 329, 330, 333c, 333e, 333f,
- - death sentence against Castellammaresi, 285, 321,
- - greed, 287,
- - murder of, 337, 360,
- May, 277, 285, 311, 312, 331, 332, 334,
- Mineo, Al "Manfredi," 298,
- Miranda, Mike, 357,
- Monaco, Sam, 328,
- Monk, 331, 333, 335, 337, 358,
- Montana, John, 359,
- Moore, Willie, see Moretti, Willie.
- Morello, Ciro, see Terranova, Ciro.
- Morello, Giuseppe, 275, 280, 282, 321,
- Morello, Nick, see Terranova, Nicholas.
- Morello, Peter, see Morello, Giuseppe.
- Moretti, Willie, 17, 291, 362,
- murder stable (108th Street between First and Second Avenues), 6f1, 8, 11, 16,
- mustangs, 16
- Naples, 285,
- narcotics, 333b,
- Navy Street Gang, 146,
- Neapolitan vs. Sicilian gang conflict, 146-147,
- New Jersey, 18, 279,
- New York Catholic Protectory, 6f, 6n,
- New York City garbage strike of 1911, 14,
- Newark, New Jersey, 328, 363,
- O'Brien Brothers, 18,
- Padovano, Nick, 181, 275-276, 280, 295, 304, 305, 309-311, 314, 315, 325, 327, 337,
- Pagano, Joe, 307,
- Palisades, Joe, see Rosato, Joseph "Palisades."
- Park Avenue,1, 2, 297,
- Pavilion Royal, 332,
- Pelham Parkway, 283, 287, 291, 292, 304, 306, 330,
- Pellegrino, George, 147,
- Pepe, Diamond Joe, see Viserti, Joseph
- Pete the Greek, 152,
- Petrelli, Dominick "the Gap," 43, 91, 276, 279, 281, 282, 283, 305, 331, 332, 363,
- - auto accident, 91,
- - murder charge, 91,
- Pinzolo, Bonaventura "Joe," 280, 282,
- Pompeii Restaurant, 308,
- Port Jervis, New York, 279,
- Profaci, Giuseppe, 285, 287, 305, 314, 324, 333c,
- Public School 83, 6n,
- Rainbow Gardens, 276, 282, 283, 285,
- Rao, Joe, 308, 309,
- Rannelli, Stefano "Steve," 275-276, 280, 281, 282, 283, 285, 305, 316, 317, 318, 319, 321, 322, 328, 333a,
- rape, 11,
- Reina, Gaetano, 280, 321,
- Reles, Abe, 333a,
- Rinaldo, Salvatore, 333b, 333c,
- Ritz, 40,
- Rochester, New York, 359,
- Rosato, Joseph "Palisades," 288, 299, 305, 315,
- Santuccio, Girolamo "Bobby Doyle," 282, 283, 305, 314, 316, 321, 326, 356, 357, 359, 360, 362,
- Scalise, Charlie, 359,
- Scalise, Frank, 322, 323, 355, 359, 362,
- Scalise, Joseph, 359,
- Schultz, Dutch, 291, 357, 362,
- Scoperto, Charlie "Scoops," 315,
- Second Avenue, 6f1, 6j, 8, 14, 22, 35, 47, 275,
- Selvaggi, Frank, 333c,
- Seventh Avenue, 40, 308,
- Sharky, 6L, 16, 17,
- Shields, Sally, see Shillitani, Salvatore "Sally Shields."
- Shillitani, Salvatore "Sally Shields," 276, 277, 280, 288, 304, 305, 308, 309, 315, 320, 322, 323, 326, 327,
- Sicilians, 147, 285,
- Sicily, 285,
- Sing Sing Prison, 12, 17, 146,
- Solly, see Shillitani, Salvatore "Sally Shields."
- South Street, 18,
- Spike, 181,
- Spinella, Pasquarella, 11
- St. Anne Avenue, 309,
- Staten Island, New York, 280, 281, 282,
- stealing, 6f, 6f1,
- Steinway Street, 335,
- streetcars, 16,
- Strollo, Anthony "Tony Bender," 338,
- Sutton, Willie, 152,
- Tangle Land, 41,
- Terranova, Ciro, 146, 147, 275, 291, 316, 321, 328, 360, 362,
- - lost his nerve, 360,
- Terranova, Nicholas, 147
- Third Avenue, 34, 36, 275, 299, 318,
- Tombs Prison, 91,
- Tonno (cousin of Joseph Viserti), 11, 12,
- truce man, 334-335,
- Valachi, Joseph,
- - admiration for organized criminals, 12, 17,
- - arrest in Jersey City 1920, 21,
- - automobiles, 33,
- - block parties, 6f2,
- - Buffalo, New York, 359,
- - and Buster, 333d, 333e, 356, 358,
- - childhood, 1, 8, 22,
- - Christmas, 1,
- - driver, 35-36, 40, 46-47, 288-289, 317-318, 336,
- - first burglary, 1-2,
- - imprisonment, 12, 146,
- - Joe Cargo nickname, 2,
- - learns about racketeering, 6L, 12,
- - Mafia induction, 305-306,
- - and Maranzano, 304, 305, 337,
- - and Masseria, 292-293,
- - parents, 1, 8, 14, 41,
- - school, 3, 6f,
- Valley Stream, New York, 332,
- Van Nest, Bronx, New York, 280, 283,
- Venero, Alexander, see Vollero, Alessandro.
- Viserti, Joseph, 12-14,
- Vollero, Alessandro, 146,
- West, Fat, 181, 331, 358,
- West Side cabarets, 40,
- Westchester County Jail, 333b,
- World War I, 3, 6f2, 6L,
- Yonkers, New York, 310, 314, 315, 317, 318, 328, 334, 336,
- Zoo cabaret, 13,